ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

I can't keep up! This discussion cruises...

Has anyone suggested that the reason we don't see Rey's parents in tfa is because we don't. But we do see Kira's ( or whatever Rey's real name is) parents...

So then JJ wasn't fibbing, or backtracking, he was technically correct.

Edit: that would also explain all that first time reunion mumbo jumbo with Leia.

 

What if Luke's first word/line is to say Rey's real name?

Luke: "Gladys! You're alive!"
Rey (Gladys): "errr... What?"

 

Luke: Your name is Gladys... Gladys Dooku... You didn't know that?

 

This is bonkers, man. Someone applied the term 'protagonist' loosely and incorrectly. All I did was point that out and explain why it was not accurate. I did not reinterpret the term. You brought out a dictionary (not me) and presented it to the person using the word correctly while the incorrect user goes on liking away at you aiming the wrong way.

George Lucas paraphrased quotes now qualify as reinterpreting 'protagonist'? I admit, the guy actually does do that for his convenience. I didn't. You bolded a part, where my accusation/assertion was. So I'm guessing that's where you've focused on as a response to the above quote from that user? But that isn't why or what I was referencing of his misuse. There's a previous post where hero and protagonist are equivocated absolutely by that user. I was referring to that from a previous exchange and lumped it in the reply of mine to him you quoted from me because more posts had already gone through in-between plus I was avoiding a double-post and would just edit in because I just like to do that as a posting preference.

It's a mess but basically "believing what you want" from him means what both you and I actually understand as the universally accepted usage of the term, while his/her actual reinterpretation or redefining gets nary any attention nor warrants your dictionary war. What I said as a response about Vader as a protagonist is true: According to GL, yadda yadda. On my own viewings of the movie do I think or see that? No. But the author, though he changes his mind on the matter all the time, did have a canonical say. I've cited references to the progression of his mind changing on it above.

 

It took you that long to understand that she is trying to prompt him onto the quest? To me it was obvious the second I walked out of the cinema thats what was going on. I'm so glad I didn't walk in there automatically thinking she was a skywalker and it opened my eyes to many other things going on in the film.

That's most certainly what' she is doing and the script clarifies that by saying she holds it out as a plea for him to help save the Galaxy. It was never about her asking to be trained with it. She still has her staff. She goes to Luke to get his ass back on the quest.

 

"I mean, your full name is Gladys Dooku Kenobi Palpatine Binks, but that's a story for another time."

 

The love of his life, Jyn Erso... died at the hands of his students including Kylo Ren, who were turned to the Dark Side of the Force by Snoke and swore as the newly formed Knights of Ren to hunt him down.

He drops Rey off on Jakku, and then heads for the uncharted areas to do some digging on Snoke at the Jedi Temples using a map R2D2 recovered from the Death Star's computer systems in Episode IV and reformed with BB-8 at the end of Episode VII.

Either way... to further reinforce #4. Remember the prophecy was that Anakin would bring Balance to the Force, and in some ways he did.. for a time. He wasn't quite able to finish the job. But if it aint Luke that is going to do it, then whoever does do it(Rey) should be tied directly to him, and not Luke. Having that person be a grandchild waters down that story. This is part of what I believe they meant by the 'evolution' of the idea in the story group. Originally it was intended to be Star Wars The Next Generation, but as they got into it, it was found Rey worked better as a daughter.. rather than a granddaughter of Anakin. Not to mention the fact that using Jyn Erso, the force hero for the light side now gets mixed with the Kenobi line and will presumably be able to finish the Emperor for good, bring peace to the galaxy, and balance to the force.

 

The reason it might take some a while to understand that is because it's a ridiculous thought that Leia would send some random teenager to go plead with Luke to rejoin the team. Then while that random girl is meeting that random old guy, she is strangely fighting tears and is overcome with emotion. Nothing about that reads Leia saying to Rey: "Young stranger, I'm putting the fate of the resistance in your hands. You're my only hope to convince my brother that you don't know to rejoin the resistance that you are not a part of." Then what's even more ridiculous is the idea that Rey, the girl that never on screen opined on why her obsession with Jakku had ended, and in fact last we saw was running away from the resistance to return to Jakku, suddenly agrees to take this uber important mission on her shoulders. Luke is hiding because he carries the burden of feeling responsible for his psycho nephew murdering all of his students, but his savior, a strange teenage girl, will be the straw that breaks the camels back. Since she's there, with his lightsaber no less, clearly now he'll be interested in the fight.

 

She's not a random, she's a kenobi that's why it had to be her to prompt him back to the quest. R2d2 turns on not because she is a skywalker, he turns on because a kenobi is near and just like all those years ago r2d2 shows the complete map just like he mysteriously showed the compete message of leia when obi wan kenobi appeared

This film is saturated with hints that she is a kenobi

"We need the last piece and somehow you convinced the droid to show it to you"

Twice in this film she is the key to the entire message being shown

 

So Leia sent Rey because she's the long lost descendant of Obi so therefore Luke will see her and come out of retirement, and then Rey is fighting tears upon seeing Luke because she knows that her grandpa that she never met trained him? Great, I'll be anxious to hear them explain all of that.

 

Rey probably chose to go on her own, her quest was building the whole time to find Luke why did it have to be leia who sent her? And the hugs and strange bond?

"Help me obi wan kenobi you are my only hope"

She doesn't know who Rey is she just senses something that she has to be the one to bring Luke back to the quest

 

That's all well and good....but that's the SAGA, not ANH.

As I said....Tarkin was the antagonist of ANH....not Vader.

 

Let's not get crazy here.

 

Missed the joke, pal.

 

I fail to see how the OT being in part about his redemption means Vader is the protagonist of the entire OT, he's not. The movies don't even corroborate Lucas's own view on them and Lucas saying that is retcon as he only recently started saying it's all about Anakin yet nothing of the sort is true about the OT. Vader's screentime in the entire OT is not even that big. It's Luke story.

LOL, now this thread is all about protagonist of each movie and the saga.

 

This thread has taken a wrong turn.

 

it's my fault and I apologize, it's because I said Kylo was neither the protagonist nor the focus and that it was Rey and same to Vader that it was Luke.
The post above yours is my last post about the topic, moving on.

 

No need to apologize. I imagine if mods have a problem they will take care of it. I just thought I came into the wrong thread until I looked at the title. lol

 

LOL I like this poster!

 

hmmm, people are still using the R2 wakes up as reason for heritage....

JJ explains why R2 wakes up.
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/12/2...-question-about-r2-d2-star-wars-force-awakens

 

I would take anything JJ says with a grain of salt. Anything he says will be said with the express intention of either trolling the audience or misdirecting them.

He's in the business of explaining stuff on film, not the internetz.

 

"So for those let wondering: BB-8’s earlier question rattles around inside R2’s dome for a while. Those old astromechs must just take a while to boot up again."

Meh....

 

except Rey doesn't even know who she is but Luke will recognize her as the granddaughter of his dead Master.....