ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

Han's death and Kylo's reveal was leaked onto the internet VERY early on. Maybe JJ just wanted to take a preemptive strike against that kind of thing this time around.

 

I've made the same assertion. It'll be Kylo's desires that help destroy Snoke as well as Kylo allowing Rey to come out of the story with the moral authority.

 

I think between Daisy's recent MTV interview, and J.J.'s recent statement (even with its clarification), the idea that Rey has come to the conclusion that her father is Luke is a fantasy or a misreading of the ending scene.

However I would not go as far to say that anyone outside the movie has debunked Luke as Rey's father. That tiny sliver of hope still remains within the movie even as outside comments by actors and canon-keepers somewhat indicate that it's unlikely.

It's just a clear mistake to continue to think the following.

1. That Leia sent Rey to Luke because Rey's a relative. Clearly Leia doesn't think so because if she did, she would've told Rey, and as per J.J. Rey "doesn't discover them in episode VII". Clearly she has discovered Leia, Han, and Luke but she hasn't discovered any of them to be her parents. What she discovers in them is a virtual family, as per Daisy's MTV interview.
2. That Rey knows Luke is her father.

Rey answering "Luke" means Luke can come back with her help. Rey knows what drove Luke away (his failure to stop the Jedi massacre), so naturally she knows what will bring him back (a chance to redeem himself starting with the new Jedi).

In fact the novelization makes this pretty explicit: "Whatever you’ve been waiting for—whomever—I can see it in your eyes, you’ve known it all along…they’re not coming back. But there’s someone who still could. With your help."

Now you can think of the novelization as a clarification or a contradiction to that scene. Which do you think is more likely?

 

Anakin was no where near dark when he and Padme conceived Luke and Leia. Sure he killed those Tuskins but that one action doesn't make him a dark sider or really using the Dark Side of the Force. His actions were nothing compared to Ben's at this point. Anakin was still the virtuous great hero of the Republic when he and Padme were together. One look at the Clone Wars TV show will point you to that.

 

I think that's exactly what Rey Skywalker people actually believe (or at least I do). Her being a Skywalker, based on everything that we've seen from the previous six movies, would completely explain why she is so strong with the Force. It is because her family is so naturally gifted because of their bloodline. Her feats would make complete sense if she's part of that lineage.

I'm fine with others being strong in the Force, but based on everything that's come before, the Skywalkers are the pinnacle of Force potential and power. So for me, if she's that powerful and the central protagonist of the Skywalker Saga, she must be a Skywalker.

 

PROTAGONISTS:

Anakin Skywalker was the protagonist of the PT. He ultimately failed, went to the Dark Side, and became a tool of the Emperor.

Luke Skywalker was the protagonist of the OT. Anakin/Vader became a supporting character and tool of the Emperor in the OT. He was not a main character but once Luke found out who he was, Vader was a the key in the power struggle between Luke(Protagonist) and the Emperor(Antagonist). When Luke ultimately won and Anakin was redeemed... the Emperor was thrown from power, and the Galaxy was set free(for a time).

Rey Skywalker IS the protagonist of the ST.

ANTAGONISTS:

The Emperor was the Antagonist throughout the PT and OT, and will likely turn out to be the antagonist in the ST. Snoke is just a body being used by the Emperor until he can get back into a real body. That of Kylo Ren.

IN SUMMARY:

The Emperor has been and always will be the straw that stirs the drink for this saga. He's who they're fighting, even across generations of Skywalker, and the ultimate evil causing the force to go out of balance and create wars across the stars. He's got crazy resurrection knowledge and the tough SOB to actually eliminate. If he were that easy to kill(gravity), this wouldn't be much of a Saga.

Rey will ultimately fail in the ST as The Emperor comes back into power and takes control over the galaxy via Kylo Ren by the end of 9. Remember that the backbone of the trilogies tend to form an X, with light and dark swapping places. As one gains in power, it does so to the detriment of the other. So The Emperor started out from a fairly weak point, whereas Rey is shown strong and ultimately standing tall. By the end of 9, those positions will be reversed.

 

Could not agree more. If that's the route they're taking, then these movies are essentially one of two possible futures (with the other being Legends EU) that the story could take post-Jedi. Pick the one you want and ignore the other as bad fan fiction.

 

Rey Skywalker..... JJ was desperate to keep it under wraps so he had to stir the pot with that comment...

 

That line actually makes me more inclined to believe that Luke may be her father (though I don't think she knows it at all - Maz may or may not have some inclination).

The person who dropped her off is very unlikely to be Luke (maybe Mom?). That person isn't coming back. But the fact that Maz says that there may be someone who still could come, with her help sounds like it has double meaning in the context of this statement. It obviously refers to bringing Luke back to the galaxy and conflict. But it also seems to speak to her personal struggle for finding her family. That someone may still be out there for her. Her actions can bring that family back, but she needs to let go of waiting for them to return for her. That person who left her isn't there any longer, but maybe (if Luke is her father) that second parent could return. Especially if Luke didn't know she was still alive.

 

That wouldn't fit in with JJ...or with the fact that he's said he wants to leave the rest of this story to Rian to tell at his own pace. Plus that reveal happened in the year lead up to the movie's release. We're not even 1.5 years out at this point.

 

JJ may have thought the child asking the question was referring to her parents plural as in Han and Leia.

Let's put it this way:

The Skywalker folks will twist JJ's words to keep the door open or suggest that Rey could be Luke's daughter.

The anti-Skywalker folks will do the same for their cause.

The same holds true for Pablo's comments, Daisy's comments, and anyone else who obviously isn't saying anything we can correctly interpret as being revealing.

Right now, it's best to go with your gut and evaluate later. Just don't let any side convince you that their belief or opinion or desire is fact.

 

You might notice what comes between JJ"s comment and daisy's. It's some kind of celebration by an obvious Reylo shipper. Is it possible that it was the Reylo shipper comment that annoyed her?

 

LOL, twists what words, he clarified himself, so there is nothing to twist.

 

I've personally switched my thoughts on the subject twice now. On first watch I walked out thinking Rey was Skywalker's daughter. Then I heard about the possibility and theory of Kenobi and switched, then I thought about how much MORE storytelling they will have to do to make that a satisfying (To me anyways.) theory and switched... ONCE AGAIN to the Skywalker theory because it would require very little storytelling to make it satisfying. I want to watch the now in VIII, not half a movie explaining Kenobi descendant. It would feel like a "filler episode" of a series I like on TV.

 

Why would she want to ask "WHAT CAN IT ALL MEAN?!" to some random Reylo shipper on Instagram lol? I'm surprised she commented at all. She wasn't responding to anybody in particular, just commenting on the screen cap/image of J.J.'s initial comment. Her question is completely rhetorical. She knew what J.J. meant perfectly well, hence the slightly annoyed sounding rhetorical question complete with three weary cats. What can it all mean? Well, Rey is just Rey. Her parents did not appear in The Force Awakens. Ergo, she is not a Skywalker or a Solo.

Here's a picture of how her comment actually appears on Instagram (at least on my computer). I think somebody edited the one up top. I crossed out a bit of cursing.

 

you switched,


FIGHT ME!!!!

the Kenobi theory is almost all forced connections and seems to mostly be about people thinking her being related to the OT3 being too obvious so they go for a close connection which is Kenobi as there isn't that many known character that could fit Rey.

Personally I've been on the Rey Skywalker boat since Fall 2014 but always acknowledged she could be unrelated. So for me it's either Skywalker or unrelated as the most likely answer. Although if she's unrelated than her parents should have a role in the sequels otherwise might have made it clear in VII that they are dead and not drag it.

 

Yeah the Kenobi connection makes even less sense and is even more convoluted. And it requires even more explanation. And I fail to see how that's all that much better than her being a Skywalker, as it's still all about legacy/bloodlines.

 

Well, of course it will.

But in the process you would've rendered Maz as having an utter lack of curiosity, for not having followed through on her inkling (at the very least) or simply stupid for not realizing what she said. Maz is not omniscient, but from the movie she was neither portrayed to be lacking in curiosity nor stupid.

It goes back to the assertion that the saber can only call to relatives of its previous owners -- a big though valid assumption unless some evidence shows it's not the case. What Maz has demonstrated is she herself believes that the "calling" of the saber has nothing to do with blood. You could say it's an "appeal to authority" argument with Maz as the 1,000 year-old wise, Force user whose authority I'm appealing to. But it is strong evidence -- because Maz would most likely be right about that matter compared to SW fans.

And no one (AFAIK) has yet given a reasonable explanation for why the door lock opened, despite (presumably) the door lock not being a Skywalker family heirloom.

You could say that, though I've always interpreted it differently -- that the belonging she seeks is in the friends and "family" she'll make moving forward (including Luke, even though he's not her real father). And basically that's what Daisy says in the MTV interview (without explicitly saying anything to rule out Luke to be her real father).

 

RobbyV I'm replying to the guy above you who says Rey's Mom may have left her. From what I understand, the voice of the person who abandoned Rey is attributed to that of a man in the shooting script. In earlier versions all that "stay here, sweetheart" stuff was a part of the script. The voice of the person who says those things is called "MAN'S VOICE" in that draft. There are Pablo tweets proving this...

I've always interpreted Maz's speech in the same way as Robby. The belonging Rey's always sought is ahead of her, not behind. Hence why Daisy said the progress Rey is making and the relationships she's forming now are more important than where she comes from.

 

I read Daisy's comments as a "wink wink, nod nod, you know what I mean" kind of comment.

FWIW, Obi-Wan's voice "Rey these are your first steps" seem to be a homeage to Obi-Wan saying the same thing to Luke in ANH.

 

Yeah, a "wink, wink, nod, nod, you know what I mean" kind of comment on J.J.'s statement... That's exactly what it is. She's rhetorically asking what the statement means... What does it mean? Rey is Rey. Her parents are not in The Force Awakens. She is not Luke's daughter. I'm sorry, but there is no other way to read that.

I agree with you on the Obi-Wan voice.

 

Wait people still think Rey is Luke's child.

 

Yes. Some of us still see it that way.

 

Even after The Director , The Actress and The Myth Lord (Pablo) all shot that theory down.