ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

So one of the things I've noticed a lot, in terms of people having a problem with Luke being Rey's father, is their perception that he would be a bad father for not finding her or continuing to search for her. So I'd like to present this scenario that I personally think works to alleviate those concerns and isn't all that complicated.

Skymom is on a mission or trip somewhere and Rey is tagging along. She's ambushed near Jakku and decides she has to drop Rey off for her own protection. She pays Unkar Platt to watch over her while she lures/kills the attackers and then comes back to get Rey. However she's killed before any of this can happen. She isn't able to contact Luke or anyone else prior to this to give them a heads up.

Luke senses his wife's death in the Force but has no idea where she was at the time. The galaxy is a massive place so even if he undertakes a huge search, he's unlikely to suddenly find his daughter. For whatever reason, he can't sense her presence in the Force (Vader couldn't sense Obi-Wan either and he was right above Tatooine during ANH). So Luke searches for perhaps years and just never finds her. So he assumes that she's perished and puts his personal feelings aside to train his Jedi Academy because that is his duty. This happens in the real world when people go missing. You can search for years but eventually, people cope by trying to go about their normal lives. It doesn't mean they're horrible parents or spouses, but eventually, there are no leads and it becomes impossible to track your loved one down.

After some time, Ben is brought to him by Han and Leia to train and becomes like a son to Luke. When he turns, this causes even more devastation for him because now he's lost his wife, daughter, and "adopted" son. That would explain why he turned away from the galaxy and continued searching for the first Jedi temple instead of actively helping to fight Snoke and the First Order. And it adds a very human tragedy to Luke's story.

 

Reread what he wrote, then re-reply.

 

I think Luke knows and I think she was on Ach To as well before
When Kylo reads her mind he says: I see an ocean ..... an Island....

How could she know?
When arriving at Maz Place she says: So much green.....
Why? There is green on the island of Luke as well. I bet she forgot the island because she was too young but Kylo was able to "read" her hidden memories

 

It's also what Rey does to ren in a sense at the end of this movie, slashed his face and abandons him to die

however this is the start not the end of the trilogy and I think the ultimate theme will be about her Doing what her grandfather failed to do which is to stop a skywalker ultimately falling.

Look at ren he is a mix of light and dark and I think the pattern is this:

Rens grandfather is dark

Reys grand parent is light

Rens parents are light

Reys parents are dark

Light and dark seems to skip generations

 

It does make sense if you keep in mind that they don't want to bring the movie to that conclusion yet. Also, the way Maz tells Rey "Whomever you are waiting for on Jakku, they're never coming back" tells me that Maz knows that they indeed won't come back and that these people are also not her real parents. But in the same context Maz points to Luke, why? A child would say: "Luke is her dad, her real family". And most of the time children are correct, they don't analyse this stuff to death. A child will not think, hey, we got this force and the saber calls to me, how can this happen? Oh, yeah, there's someone who's also powerful in the force, that's Luke Skywalker. So to get the belonging that I seek (family) I need to go to Luke Skywalker so he can train me in the force. Nah, way to complicated for a child.
And how would the belonging Rey seeks (family) be fulfilled when she goes to Luke and trains with him? that doesn't make sense, who says that Luke will be a fatherfigure for her and give her the attention she needs? it would only make sense if he is indeed her father.

 

just please save us from this terrible crap.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems like this is them saying that there won't be any romance between Ben and Rey.

 

ok and I hope so.

 

Do you even movies, bro? So I assume that she never touched that thing again.. RIGHT? After all, she said she didn't want any part of this, and you seem to take that literally and that it can never change. Except...

THEN SHE GOT KIDNAPPED.
THEN SHE GOT STRAPPED TO A CHAIR AND MIND RAPED.
THEN SHE GOT RESCUED.
THEN SHE WATCHED THE PERSON SHE WISHED WAS HER FATHER DIE TO THE GUY WHO MIND RAPED HER... WHO WAS THAT GUY'S SON.
THEN FINN GOT HURT.

... and then she reached out, force-grabbed the lightsaber she claimed she would never touch again, and kicked Kylo butt...

Needless to say... unless you were not paying attention.... SHE'S NOW IN IT TO WIN IT. The reluctant hero no more.

So yes... she touched the thing she claimed she'd never touched again. So yes... she got in the big girl seat of the Millenium Falcon and flew halfway across the galaxy. So yes... she showed up on Luke's doorstep in order to be his Uber driver back to the real world so he could help out Leia and the gang free the galaxy from the clutches of The First Order.

 

How did young Anakin see future events before they happened?

 

I don't understand what your point is. We were talking about the Maz and Rey conversation and her reaction to it. Not what happened after Kylo took her away.

Do you mean to imply that Rey is such a slow thinker it takes her hours to realize that Maz was really telling her? Perhaps what really happened was she finally took upon the legacy because she realized just how powerful she was and just saw her new "family" struck down one-by-one by Kylo Ren?

 

Anakin saw
Kylo read her mind
thats the difference I'm pointing it

 

Plus with Anakin seeing things before they happened, I kind of got the sense that it was more in line with being able to anticipate events like in pod racing. More aligned with Jedi reflexes as it were.

 

Agree but having visions is different than having memories
I do not think Kylo read a vision out of her mind

 

Anakin foresaw Padme's death in a dream. Kylo says Rey dreams of an ocean. She also remarks on arrival at Takodona about the greenery - it amazes her. That does not give weight to Rey having a memory of Ach-To.

 

The question is: is the island a memory or not.

 

I would say no, otherwise she would not have been so amazed about Takodona.

 

When Rey arrives at Ahch-to she concludes that the dream she had for thousands of times was about this island. It's in the Book: Rey's Story

“Rey,” Leia began, “may the Force be with you.” Those words were still echoing in Rey’s head as she flew the Flacon high above Ahch-To. Rocky islands blanketed with beautiful green trees jutted from the water that covered the planet. Rey recognized the landscape from her dreams. She had imagined the place thousands of times without realizing it was waiting for her.”

 

if you read that closely it's pretty much suggesting romance/a close connection

 

Personally I believe Rey is Lukes daughter mainly due to whats in the movie but I have always felt there is some misdirection outside of the movie ever since GL appeared on the Ipad Q@A with JJ. Hearing GL ask what happened to the grandchildren was straight up wierd and for me GL is on it. Pablo has been on the case since the release of the movie and its clear they want everyone to speculate the possibilities when IMO its pretty obvious.

I personally think Luke believes 1) his daughter to be dead or 2) has no knowledge of her existence. Either way I believe the final scene in TFA he knew she was the "awakening" that he felt also but when she produced his Lightsabre his expression changed significantly where he knew all of a sudden a lot more was in play. In short the force brought both her and the LS to him in order to signify both her importance but mostly his importance. Essentially a call to Luke by the force itself.

I also suspect that the reveal will be in IX and will be a surprise to all. If not i suspect I am wrong and Luke does know and it will be revealed in the 1st scene in XIII.

Lastly just want to say if Luke is not rey's father I will not care a jot so long as the story they tell is a good one.

 

But it still does not say that she dreamed about it because she had already been there
Remember episode 6 what Leia tells Luke about remembering her mother. How could she? She was 2 minutes old when Padme passed away

 

So what does say that she has been there?

 

This is goin' in circles

The question was:
Is it possible that Kylo reads a vision out of her mind or only her memory/feelings and I said I doubt he can read visions

 

It's hard to say, some would say it's a force vision she has each day before sleeping.
I would say it's a memory (implanted?), I say this because the Force woke up in Rey after she touched the saber and she has these dreams before that event.
Anakin had visions in his dreams (nightmares), Rey uses the image in her head to fall a sleep so to me it's something different.
But to be honest we just don't know......

 

Explicitly said that it's not romance-twice. But there's a connection between Kylo and Rey. I bolded the response to their own brain fart about romance. They emphasized that statement as not being the case. So we can put the romance thing to rest finally and officially.