ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

Sure, but did she had a vision?

 

How about we leave every bit of info open to interpretation and not try to stifle discussion based off your own personal assumptions? Because the way I read the quote, as someone not rooting for a Rey-Kylo romance, is that there is certainly something there, something that could, at the very least, potentially lead to romantic feelings. There's a thin line between love and hate, and all that jazz...

That quote stoked the fires of speculation, it didn't settle anything for me.

 

It is strange, when Pablo comments something that could possibly be anti Reywalker, everyone starts telling us, now everything is clear so stop talking about Reywalker. But when there is a comment that shuts down Reylo, we cannot say the same? Is this here anti Luke?

 

I interpreted it as no romance. Overall, it's the idea that comes out stronger, because they actually said it with every word ("it's not romance")

But Geminiwankenobi has a point: if they were cousins or siblings, it's weird that the romance idea would even come to their minds.

If whatever Kylo and Rey have going on is not romance but the MSW folks still thought of that word, it must be something pretty strong. Stronger than cousins, for sure.

 

yes, I remember it.
She may not be that selfish then.
Still, I feel a certain way about how these characters are depicted in the movies (it's my POV).

Also, look at Ben/Kylo, in an interview with Adam Driver he is attributing the characters turn to the darkside to parental neglect, he felt abandoned by the people closest to him. Of course we can't blame Leia and Han but I think it made the job for Snoke a bit easier.

 

I don't follow Pablo, so the rest of this complaint isn't relevant to me.

But nothing in that quote "shuts down" Reylo to me. Quite the opposite. It seems that those who are rooting for a familial connection between Rey and Ben need to read it as a shut down because even the mention of romance in relation to these two characters severely undermines the Rey Skywalker theory.

But you don't have the right to tell us what to speculate on, or how to interpret MSW's statement. And not even MSW knows the full story, or what's happening in episode 9.

 

Maybe they not even know if they are cousins or siblings, so in that case all options are available.

 

I would never say Leia is selfish, only more reserved towards her feelings. But she was the first one in the bloodline novel to defend Luke after the NR turned against him and questioned him. She was even upset about it and I really liked this.

 

Maybe they (MSW) do not even know if they are cousins or siblings, so in that case all options are available.

 

I'm more curious as to why that podcaster would even go in the direction of romance in the first place. Of course I would expect the people on this board to cling to "it's not romance" for dear life and do their very utmost to stifle debate, but I think your interpretation is interesting.

It's important to remember that this group of podcasters is also distinctly anti-Rey Skywalker. They briefly discussed last week how "Bloodline would change the way you theorize about The Force Awakens," with a particular emphasis on the unlikelihood of Luke being Rey's father. Obviously now there's something that they can't actually talk about concerning Rey's feelings in episode VIII. And it's something that would even make them bring up romance at all? Hmmm...

And just for the record, I'm not a shipper. I think the concept of shipping in general is pretty stupid. I am, however, perfectly open to a dynamic between Kylo and Rey that is distinctly un-familial. That's what we got in TFA – particularly with regard to how Kylo sees Rey – and that's what I expect to see continued in episodes VIII and IX.

 

Exactly.

First off, for someone who is says "it's not romance", it's odd that he says before hand that he's not sure if it's romantic.

You know who else you could describe like that? Leia and Han in ANH, or...Anakin and Padme in TPM. It's NOT romance, but it's something there, something more.

It's interesting that romance would ever need to even come up. It sounds like MSW is interpreting info he's been given, trying to work it out, acknowleding that it could at least look or seem romantic, or more than family.

 

Unfortunately so is some sort of Force creation idea too!

It undermines the entire character of Rey period.

 

sadly several people always tell us not to speculate about Rey Skywalker and this repeatedly.

 

Not that selfish. Unbelievable.

And Ben Organa-Solo turned at 23 and under Luke Skywalker's watch. Are you suggesting a combination of bad parenting from Han and Leia and incompetent training from Luke? Because I think Snoke and Ben himself are the ones to blamed, not the Skywalker-Solo family.

 

I don't make those kinds of assumptions before seeing a film.

How the story unfolds tells me what undermines a character. Not assumptions based off tidbits of rumor. The last thing I'm interested in doing with these films is leaping to conclusions years before they're even released.

 

Ah, we don't know. Dreams and imagination, yes. Visions, we're not sure. Still I don't see any reason Kylo won't be able to read a past vision from Rey's memories.

There are some hints (only in the TFA novel) that she has memories, visions, or dreams of Kylo because the first time she saw him on Takodana she seems to recognize him (but not because of the Force vision). That can't be imagination, so the only possibilities I see are either visions or memories from actually having seen him before. Still vague.

 

Whatever

 

Thank you!

My take on this over in the rumour thread was that they've heard of a situation - lets's say Rey and Ren going rogue together or ending episode VIII ruling the galaxy as Emperor and Empress to chuck out two random scenarios - that they're trying to piece backwards in terms of character motivation to explain how they get there.

I'd agree that the fact they brought up romance - even if they went to clarify that what they'd heard thus far WASN'T romance related - suggests a non-familial relationship though. You don't pull that out of the air.

 

Wow, what a well-thought response. It really shows the strength of your arguments.

 

I've never read anybody say that people can't speculate about Rey Skywalker.

But I'll take your word for it.

 

For the third time.
Maybe they (MSW) do not even know if they are cousins or siblings, so in that case all options are available (including romance). Or does MSW know if Rey and Kylo are blood related???????

 

Thank you!

 

Who knows? I think their intel dating back from TFA suggested that none of the new young heroes were legacy characters, but that may have changed, or new things could have come to light.

 

I personally think noone else than Kylo/Ben has to be blamed for turning, not Han, not Leia and not Luke. He is is just a bad person, despite that he had all the priviledges. I think if anyone, he is selfish, since he probably expects that all the attention has to be towards him.

 

You do not think that they are aware there is a small minority of peeps that believe there is some sort of romance/ship between them? When I read it I felt they were talking to them, quite clearly by repeating it.