ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

Leia is selfish, ha! I've officially seen it all in the SW fandom.

The idea did occur to me. Arguably, Rey Skywalker enthusiasts and Reylo shippers are the two biggest factions to come out of TFA.

 

He's a bad person yes, but like in real life personal circumstances can make a person make the wrong decisions he may have not made otherwise. That's doesn't mean this is the case with Kylo though, but I found it interesting that Adam Driver told that the parental neglect was partially the blame of him (Ben) turning bad. And I think that's fitting how I see these characters (Han and Leia).
Of course they love their son, and maybe Ben needed more attention, then a normal kid would need.

 

You have a link about that?

 

I'm pretty sure I have it bookmarked on my home computer - will dig it for you when I get home and have access.

 

Important to note a perceived (on Kylo's part) Parental neglect, as in from his POV. it seems (from Bloodlines) the reveal of Leia and Luke's parentage plays a part, likely the final part in Kylo's turn. It seems to me at this stage he had problems and was sent to Luke but ultimately the reveal that Vader was his grandfather is what set him off. Presumably Snoke had been grooming him and probably told him this just prior to it becoming common knowledge for ultimate effect.

 

Here's the full transcript:

“But I mean like, right now, Rey’s story is kinda weird too. It’s like I don’t know where my mum lives, I wish my mum and dad would come get me on Jakku, oh, I’ve got the force? Oh Luke Skywalker, he’s here? Wow. And then, so, at some point, Kylo Ren and Rey gotta have something more going down. I don’t know if it’s romance, if it’s complete hatred, if it’s you know, but, erm…I know, we can’t talk about it, there’s certain things we’ve heard – and it’s not romance, it’s not romance, but there’s certain things that we’ve heard recently about what’s going down and what Rey, how Rey feels –“

“Yeah, let’s just leave it at that.”

“It’s a fascinating kinda take, and I don’t know how it gets there. So episode 8 is going to be ****ing cool."

“I think there’s a lot more nuance and like twists in this story rather than the face value of what we got in The Force Awakens.”

Bonus later in the discussion:

“Someone in this trilogy has to get down, someone has to have the implication of offspring to make another trilogy down the road.”


So, what can we take from this? Well, there’s no romance…yet. And honestly, this is in keeping with what many of us in the Reylo community have been thinking. This isn’t a conventional love story, or an Anidala rehash. This is about two Force users, with a hero/villain, yin yang dynamic developing a highly nuanced and unique relationship. Kylo will still be a bad guy for much of the next movie. He might not ever be a ‘good guy’. Because maybe that’s too simplistic for where the new Star Wars story is going.‘Not romance’, as these guys said – they used the word romance, unprompted, three times – could point to a force bond, in my view. Which might, potentially, depending on how it plays out, evolve into transformational love in the final movie. Nobody knows outside of Lucasfilm yet. But these guys at MSW? They think they know something about what’s next. They’re just not really allowed to talk about it yet.

http://starwars-hell.tumblr.com/post/143771908213/episode-128-makingstarwarsnets-now-this-is

 

Everyone has to have some kind of motivation, whether we believe it or not. Leia should be the one to kill him, and I would not be surprised if she did. She has had to carry the burdens of others for far too long. That needs to change. She brought him into this world, she needs to be the one to take him out. I don't know a parent who could live with themselves knowing their child has caused so much pain and destruction.

 

Leia is selfish, Luke is not, ergo Luke deserves a family more than Leia.

Yeah, I've officially heard it all.

 

About Leia, maybe selfish was the wrong word to use, my bad.
Like MattOrgana said, she puts duty above anything else. And that may not always be the right thing to do.
Btw. don't get me wrong I always liked Leia, her feisty character makes her do things that other woman would run a away from (like infiltrating Jabbás palace) I just never saw her as a real "motherly" figure

 

"There's no romance... yet" is giving me "I wasn't Han Solo's daughter... in TFA" vibes.
lol

 

That makes more sense.

Though, to be fair, Leia was a very young woman in the OT, so "motherly" isn't exactly a word I would have associated with her back then. But she was nurturing. She nurtured Luke in his time of sorrow, despite experiencing an even greater loss. She nurtured Han after his torture, and Luke after his battle with Vader. She was downright motherly with Wicket, come to think of it.

 

That makes sense , and I completely forgot about how she was with Wicket, how could I!

 

I was about to post this. Thanks for saving me the work. I find the last part of the discussion quite interesting. I mean, we cannot be sure whether they know something about Rey´s parentage or not, but it looks like if they know she might end up not being related? Like "ok, she is not the offspring, then there must be something more in order to continue the story".

I suspect they know something big. But due to the fact that revealing certain things just when they are told could leave a trace to who is the informer, they are waiting some time like they did with TFA.

 

Transcripting this guy is a nightmare, but his starting and stopping sounds pretty casual vs. sneaky and deliberate. I've had to listen to it 5 or 6 times now to get his wording. There's a clear division in where the guy talks about where feels Kylo/Rey are headed. Romance or hatred. THEN there's the spoiler they heard which he quickly prefaces with "And it's not romance, it's not romance" with another cohost agreeing "No".

So however telling the spoiler it's not what makes him think Rey/Kylo are headed towards a romance. At least not sure, since he seems split enough himself on/about to say it's polar opposite "complete hatred".

Sounds 'weird' as we were promised.

https://soundcloud.com/makingstarwars/episode-128-mads-you-are-the

 

That was my read too: the 'not romance' bit is purely related to the spoiler they heard.

 

Maybe it is time for MakingStarWars return these boards so he can clarify?

 

A cousins force bond?

No

Even time magazine picked up on the sexuality of the force bond moment on the cliff, why?

Because jj used camera techniques and editing techniques which are used in romance films.

Damn the denial train is strong here

I really feel bad because this trilogy is clearly not pointing the way you want it to go, everything is piling up against Rey skywalker and ren remaining a villain

 

Yep, I knew Kylo would return to the light right after we were told how he killed the Jedi, murdered his own father, and almost killed Finn.

 

The film already down played what was written in the novel, lol.

 

Yep, that's how I read it too. The "certain things they've heard" are not romantic, but in the grand scheme of things, those things could point in the direction of romance or hatred. And can we really act like there isn't some precedent for a distinctly un-familial relationship between Kylo and Rey in TFA? Even connecting those two to the idea of romance is not exactly good for the Rey Skywalker theory.

 

Thank the Force! Also more evidence (BUT NOT CONCRETE) of any kind of blood relationship.

 

What you've been presented with in TFA is not the complete story its a surface of a deeper story and there are much deeper things going on than what you see on the surface.

There's an old saying in Hollywood

Give me the same thing, only different.

It's going to feel like Star Wars but they are going to twist it on its head to make it different

Yeah and in the novel and the shooting script kylo ren and Rey clearly share a bond/connection

 

Dp sorry

 

There isn't much to really decipher in that department. If Rey falls for Kylo, who happens to be a murdering psycho, then it says something about HER as well. She knows and has seen what Kylo has done and is capable of. This isn't Twilight and certainly is not 50 Shades of Gray Side of the Force.

Oh crap! I've been dragged into this argument!
Darth_Bertie yes I think we are due for a visit from Jason or ManaByte to at least claify what was said in the transcript, if not to clarify all the details.

 

yep true, if she falls for such a monster, it says enough of Rey. She would accept all his cruel acts and therefore would not be better than him. I don't care for such characters, who don't send a positive message that kids can look up to.