ST John Boyega (Finn) in the ST

TonyGunk are you saying that if the Story Group wanted Finn force sensitive, they would have wrote something overtly force using (e.g. force push) into TFA? And the fact that they didn't write such an action in TFA is absolute proof that they would never consider another time and circumstance where he would overtly show force sensitivity?

 

That's quite a lot of absolutes and exaggerations there, afrojedi

How about just letting a story be told. Finn doesn't *have* to be a Jedi, he doesn't *have* not to be.

 

Comics are not as widely distributed as a films, and even then the number of people using a Saber that have no FS ability is still a fraction of the overall users seen to them and be force sensitive.

If it doesn't have those elements of Lucas story people ID with it's not going to work in the long run. Besides...Lucas trained people like Pablo Hidalgo and Kathleen Kennedy in how his universe works.

The day he uses the force, the entry will be updated, that is how Wookiepedia works

They are a weapon but going by the lore both pre and post Disney it's uncommon for anyone not FS to use such a weapon. As I said, the writers and directors know this...know what the general audience is going to think when they put a lightsaber in the hands of the films co-lead. It's not confirmation....but it does go a LONG way towards making the revelation more plausible in the eyes of the General Audience. Had Finn never used a Saber, just his blaster this conversation would likely not be happening.

 

clinteastwoodbradfield I asked the question because TG stated that they missed several opportunities to show Finn could use the force. I don't see anything exaggerated in my post. The absolutes were in the post just above my previous post.

 

And if he becomes one....will it affect you in some negative way?

 

I'm saying we have no reason to believe Finn is anything other then a normal human.

I think it's likely if the plan is to make him a Jedi they would have done more to imply it. Even a line from Maz about his potential.

People have said a non-jedi character has never used a lightsaber in battle. Well a character who has shown no ability to use the force has then later become proficient with it and/or a Jedi. Even Leia, no hints of being a Jedi in TFA. Characters who can use the force are shown to have that ability early on in their stories.


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That video link from an editor on TFA earlier in the thread makes that unlikely. There's something special about him and Rey...especially since he was raised by the FO but someone resisted their indoc.

Why? If the goal was to let Rey have her force moment in TFA and then Finn's occurs in a later film then revealing them both at once or implying they are both FS at the same time could lessen the impact.

You're not making sense here. Are you saying Leia is not FS....because she is...and it wasn't implied early in her story.

 

I've watched the film once through with the intent of looking out for force sensitivity, and I stand by what I said months ago; the examples of alleged force sensitivity are so subtle that it's tonally out of whack with all other hints in other Star Wars films so it's unlikely to be the case

 

And she said he is special because he broke with the first order training. That's what's special

Aren't you arguing that Finn using the lightsaber is implying he will be a Jedi? Why would maz saying he has potential take away from Rey but that isn't?

Leia is but they did nothing with it. No Jedi, lightsaber using character has been revealed as late in a trilogy as Finn would be if for him to be one.




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You still haven't answered my previous question.

What benefit did using a lightsaber and getting his butt kicked twice provide for Finn's character?

 

And why did he break the FO training when almost no one else has?

It's not confirmation and so much else happens that it dosen't detract from Rey's reveal in the end. However, it DOES plant the idea in the heads of the collective audience...one that could flower when looked back upon later.

GA: "Finn's FS...well that makes....oh wait...he used a Saber...broke conditioning....yeah okay I can see it."

Aren't you the one saying...it's never happened...until it does?

 

Do you remember Yoda saying "There is another" in ESB. That was a pretty big moment in the film. To that point we were led to believe it was Luke and an aging Yoda who were the remaining lightside force users.

Make it too obvious and there's no surprise. Many of us have listed ways they've hinted at the potential for a reveal down the line (Hosnina, picking up Luke's old training remote, FN2187, etc..)

Isn't it possible, that they didn't want to reveal the co-leads at the same time (Wonder Twin style). They have five movies remaining to tell this story.

 

Because he is that special person who kept his humanity. There is no evidence it's the force. Sometimes people are just good.

Again, if that's where they are going, easy enough to drop an actual hint.

Yes, I'm making the comparison To discount the lightsaber usage argument


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I'm not arguing that Finn's toy sales are tied into the effectiveness of the character in the film (look at Phasma). I'm saying that LFL may have been covering its bases to insure that they had both a male-hero-with-lightsaber and a female-hero-with-lightsaber toy to put on shelves. All they had to do to justify it was to put a lightsaber in Finn's hands during the film. Their choice to have him lose both fights may have then been the compromise they agreed on to preserve the "specialness" of the Rey character. That's the simplest explanation for why things played out the way they did.

They would have made money regardless, the question is would they have been able to maximize the amount of money they could possibly make.

That's a question VIII needs to answer. Hopefully RJ will come up with something original and interesting. Something that adds to the Star Wars universe and does more than just recycle what's come before.

 

"Everyone who has seen these movies thinks about ‘I am your father …’ and ‘There is another …’ But neither of those things were in [1977’s original] Star Wars. Star Wars didn’t say Luke was the son of Vader. Star Wars didn’t say Leia was the sister of Luke. You didn’t understand what these references were: the Empire, dark times, Clone Wars. There were these things that were discussed that don’t get explained. George [Lucas] dropped you into a story and respected you to infer everything necessary to understand what you need to know… Can this movie actually also hold, ‘And Rey is this … And Finn is that … And this is where Poe is from …’ This is the first of a series. There is a story to be told. And it will be".

- Lawrance Kasdan on TFA



*Quote under the picture reads as follows:

The hardest thing about playing Finn was holding back all the time. Trying to be lead by fear rather than strength was a tricky balance to ride, without coming across as a pushover! Everybody expected acrobatics and a fully rouge badass character (BORING) hero's are not born in one movie. Wait for the trilogy. Finn ain't playing no more.

Just something to consider, guys.

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You still haven't answered 'WHY' your just assuming he's such a good person that he resisted indoc. That's possible....it's also possible he's fs and that gave him enough mental strength to resist the FO indoc.

Hint or confimration....and you're assuming they'd do that when there's nothing in the lore that makes it a requirement.

Then I can use it to discount your assertion that Finn has to be identified as a Force Potential in the first movie to work.

 

Yes I did, he is just that good, 1 in 10000 people who will resist it. And the video clip says just that.

It's possible Poe is such a good pilot because he is using the force the way anakin did in the phantom menace, but just because it's possible doesn't mean it's true or should be believed

You kind of want it both ways. On one hand you are arguing so hard that the evidence is strong and right there, then saying they had to be so subtitle and sly because they didn't want evidence.....which is it?

Yes, the two cancel each other out. But now you can't say that just because he used a lightsaber that he can use the force or will be a Jedi. It doesn't matter if that's never happened before



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Fits right in with the editor of the film stating "We didn't want to give it all away, straight away. These two people (Finn/Rey) are both very special."

 

no i don't care one way or another.... but he never will!!! ha ha!

 

MOD EDIT: Removed personal insult

 

I agree, Finn will become a hero after starting a basically a villain.

Look at all those quotes and words assuming Finn won't be a Jedi. It all still applies


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So you are stating this as fact? It's impossible to be any other reason?

 

finn will turn to the dark side.

 

I'm saying we have no reason to believe anything other then he was just that on person who resists

The editor said Finn is special because he resisted the first order. That statement doesn't need more depth, it's all there. There might be more but evidence of it or reason to believe it


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No, it just says he's special...not why.

Poe is not the Co-lead of a film who uses a lightsaber in a fight, somehow throws off indoctrination and still has a number of significant question about his past left unanswered. Of the two Finn is the one with the biggest question mark around him about where he comes from...and where he is going.

I said their are hints, things that could lead in that direction, or upon the reveal would make sense in review. My comments on the Lightsaber fall into the category. Finn's use is not confirmation, but it does leave an impression in the mind of the GA, one that could be taken advantage of if he's revealed to be FS. So this is not a one or the other situation. What's there could be taken either way...but it's not confirmation and it's not denial....and I thinks it's so because they wanted to give Rey the reveal in this film since that is what was built up to.

Good, then there's nothing baring them from revealing Finn has the force in Episode 8. Which would allow Finn's reveal to have the same weight and impact as Re's in TFA.



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