ST Snoke's Backstory - Theories and Speculation

In other words, he was a member of the Peculiar Hat Crew?

 

That's a possibility, but I think Snoke will be based off of the legends character Cronal or maybe Xizor. I think those two characters may be the basis for Snoke's backstory.

 

Hmm, interesting! Xizor and Vader were rivals...
If Snoke was envious of Vader, then it would probably give him satisfaction to boss his grandson around - and crush him when he least expects it.

 

Maybe Cronal was a member of the Peculiar Hat Crew.

 

I could see that as being a possibility. I was a supporter of the Plagueis is Snoke theory, but that got shot down and a few folks around here have mentioned Cronal being Snoke and that seems like the most legit theory out there now.

 

There's an interesting line in the script provided at imsdb:

The bit about Snoke seemingly dying. Another line seems to imply that Kylo Ren did not want to destroy the Resistance. Something that had not clicked with me until now. Snoke only decides to destroy the Resistance after the attempt to read Rey's mind fails and after the droid escaped.

Snoke gives the order to destroy the Resistance and Kylo tries to object, saying he can still read her mind with additional guidance from Snoke. Snoke does not rescind his order though.

But even with how the use of Star killer Base is reactionary, I'm wondering if it was ever something Snoke really wanted. Hux wants to use it, Snoke is only convinced to use it after Kylo's failure, and Kylo seems to want to spare the Resistance (I'm guessing because of Leia).

Unlike Palpatine, who wanted to make a demonstration with the Death Star, Snoke seemed indifferent to Star Killer Base only as a tool to use when absolutely necessary.

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That's a great point. It would add personal connection and motive.

 

Yup and he didn't seem too concerned about the destruction of the base either.

 

The bit about seeming to die makes me wonder if he's at the end of his life. Some guy who really wants to eliminate the Jedi before he dies.

Every action he takes seems to be with the singular goal of destroying the Jedi. Palpatine wasn't even so narrow minded. BB-8 got away, Snoke says they need to change strategies and Hux recommends blowing up the Republic capital and that without them the Resistance will fall and thus be unable to reach Luke. It wasn't to take over the Galaxy, or to spread fear, like Palpatine wanted. It was a plan B to isolate Luke.

Then later on, BB-8 gets away again because Kylo is convinced he can read Rey's mind. He fails, and again Hux suggests using the weapon. Again a backup plan, used for the sole purpose of preventing someone else from finding Luke.

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Snoke is Cato the Elder, Senator of Rome.

 

I read elsewhere on these forums that when Snoke appeared near the end of the movie during the eminent destruction of SKB to address Hux, he was short of breath and clearly agitated. In reviewing the recent posts on this thread, especially the point from the script regading Snoke almost dying, I wonder if this is all related? Furthermore, Snoke's breathlessness seems mysterious, however, with the sun energy at that point being stored within SKB, I wonder if that is indicative of Snoke's weakened state, which if I recall correctly, that transmission of sun energy can only be accomplished by the Dark Side. Would make sense that he is weak, on the verge of death.

 

he wasn't any weaker than usual.

 

He is either Emperor Palpatine, Darth Bane, Exar Kun, some new equivalent, or all of the above. I REALLY want him to be the first Sith Force Ghost in the films!

Maybe he's ULIC QEL-DROMA?

 

If anyone, I would really like Snoke to be Vitiate/Valkorion/The Sith Emperor. He seems like a very cool villain, and it would be really cool for him to show up in the films. It's possible the immortal Sith-King is still alive in the New Republic Era.

 

The Old Republic is unique in that it ties back to the old EU and was one of the only EU storylines allowed to continue after the Disney acquisition.

Pablo said the game was non canon, However, there was also a big jump in storyline. It moved away from Sith vs Republic and turned into the Zakuul conflict. And while they say Valkorion is Vitiate, the character before and after the Zakuul arc goes by different names, has a different voice, and doesn't behave remotely the same. While the game is still continuing and all the pre-Disney content is still there, it seems like there was a massive shift away from earlier storylines and the whole Zakuul thing came out of the blue. Plus there's the ability to create a level 60 character and jump straight into the Zakuul content.

I would applaud it if elements of tor like Valkorion were canonized even though the entire game cannot be due to pre-Disney content.

But a part of me suspects that if Lucasfilm has any intention of exploring the ancient Sith/Old Republic in canon, the needed TOR to move away from the Jedi/Sith conflict to reduce any confusion among the less nerdy segments of the fan base.

For instance, if I just started playing the game for the first time after watching TCW and TFA, things like Python and Korriban and red skinned Sith are going to be strange to me. Because in TCW, Moraband is the home world of the Sith. In TFA, the first Jedi Temple is on Ach-To, and the red skinned Sith are shown nowhere in canon and are liable to remain non canon indefinitely.

The whole Zakuul conflict I feel may have been a compromise to have a self-contained conflict in the game that requires minimal de-canonized EU knowledge and probably won't affect any plans for future canon works in the ancient past of Star Wars lore.

I doubt they'll canonize that game's characters like Valkorion, let alone make him a major villain in the films, thousands of years later in the lore.



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So from what I've heard, the

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idea of Snoke being the Aftermath admiral has been shot down in the new novel?

 

Far from it; (spoilers follow) the Admiral is revealed to be closely linked with Palpatine from boyhood, to be an enigma even to high ranking imperials, to be obsessed with reshaping the Empire, makes it known he *needs* General Hux's father, and is closely tied to (and is a native of) Jakku, which is revealed to be a location extremely important to Plpatine due to its history and future

 

Snoke is a dark side user who was not a Sith, and who lived in the shadows of Palpatine, waiting for the perfect time to appear.

 

So,

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who wants to take bets this is Snoke's backstory unfolding here?

 

Hmmm... What if his plan is to transfer his mind to the body of Kylo or Rey in an effort to prolong his life?
What if he's done it before?

That would certainly tie into the first trilogy, since the quest for immortality is clearly established as an idea in ROTS but has yet to be developed as far as "unnatural" dark side abilities are concerned.

 

YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

 

Ive considered that idea before myself, but am skeptical for a couple reasons.

First, Dark Siders cannot become Force Ghosts per Pablo. This has been stated after TFA's release in response to comments that Snoke could be a Force Ghost. Spirit transfer, to me, would imply that - even if just for a moment - Snoke's spirit would have to exist as a ghost between bodies.

Second, why bother training Kylo just to take over his body? Snoke already has the knowledge. He could have just stolen his body at any point.

If it comes to immortality or something like that, I think perhaps Snoke would steal Kylo's Force power. Such leeching to sustain oneself is canon already.

The Aftermath novels seem to be going in a direction I did not expect though (assuming they touch on Snoke's backstory).

With mentions of pursuing the "source" Dark Side into the Outer Rim and Snoke's interest in the Empire, I'm guessing he might be an Imperial that found ancient knowledge and taught himself from those teachings.

Also, the script makes a point of mentioning him appearing to die. And someone else pointed out he seems to be short of breath at the end. Snoke looks like he's at the end of his life/staving off death with the Force, IMO.

If he can body hop, I figured he'd do so asap.

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Passing from one body to another is hardly the same thing as retaining one's identity as a ghost for an indefinite period of time.
Regarding the training of Kylo, the spirit transfer might require help from the recipient. If that's the case, Snoke likely intends to trick Kylo into doing his part of the ritual...

I'll concede that the leeching idea sounds somewhat more plausible, though. Good thinking!

 

I agree, just look at him, it seems he has done it before... his body is decrepit, he for sure is using dark force energy to keep his current body working.

 

How is the use of Starkiller Base reactionary? The First Order may want to turn back the clock to the Good Ole Days, and thus may be considered reactionary. But how is one method any more reactionary.