Full Series Darth Maul in Star Wars Rebels

Snoke still has plenty of respect for the Sith, even though he does some things differently. He doesn't bear a grudge against the Sith. He compliments Vader on his venerable darkside career that was only undone through sentiment. This sentiment he wishes to purge in Kylo.

Maul is mostly envious of Vader and carries a grudge against the Sith (for good reason though). Snoke and Maul approach the same subject from different perspectives, which is interesting.

 

Envy, fear, lust, greed, jealously are really typical of all of these Dark Sider characters, you cant just single out one with such labels. All Sith are afraid of losing power, which eventually of course they do, there are no exceptions in SW. We don't have a backstory on Snoke to tell whether he does or does not with the Sith. While we know Sidious abandoned Maul on Naboo , replaced him with Dooku as his apprentice, created Grievous to lead the wars against the Jedi and created yet another quasi-apprentice , attempted to murder him a few times, killed Savage and had his mother killed. The transformation of Republic into the kingdom they were both to have shared, am Empire . And Maul was destined to take over as Sith Master when the time comes when he's ready per the Sith tradition . By the time of Rebels, he's fanatically determined to destroy the Sith, a holy warrior basically a jiadist. He's still applying his knowledge as a Sith Lord to destroy his enemies the Sith(Which makes him very close to The Son's views ). From studying on Malachor and learning its secrets to training of Ezra in the Sith ways, he's very much in the game. He has all this training and power and seeks a purpose and to leave behind a memory & legacy like all masters do with an apprentice. And the grudge thing is something Vader would later take on after he learns of his betrayal by his master.

One can also say Snoke is envious of Sidious and/or the Galactic Empire in general and wants to recreate it, not that Maul is mostly envious of Vader which does not appear to be the case since he wants to kill him not replace or take his place. But envious of what, being a Sith Apprentice to a coldhearted backstabber?! He was there already, and Maul already knows all too well how Sidious treats and cares for his apprentices. This was very well also described in SOD when both he and Talzin were talking and forewarning Dooku or when Maul was talking to Sidious with the Darksaber at Dooku's throat. Not even sure how Snoke has plenty of respect(which is not a trait or characteristic of evil doers of the Dark Side) for the Sith or Vader . Sidious views Vader as a disappointment & weak since ROTS and actively seek a new apprentice because of it, why would Maul view Vader as someone to be envious about both of them even got wounded(by the same Jedi no less) and fell from the grace of their evil master - only that Sidious would not make the same mistake he did with Maul, by discarding a wounded apprentice. So if anything Vader is still around because of Maul and what he accomplished during the Clone Wars, otherwise Vader may of well been left on Mustafar like Maul was on Naboo. Maul can create his own organization and army and within a short time, as he already did so.

Maul is looking for a way to reassert himself into the galactic arena again after spending time on Malachor learning and keeping tabs on the galaxy through the Force. With Ezra , the boy can carry on the vendetta war against the Sith, their common enemy, even if he falls in battle. Maul did not just want to kill those dogs trained by Vader, the Inquisitors, he wanted to destroy them. He setting a trap on Malachor that would've wiped out all his enemies both on the planet and abroad. But Ezra seems more important than the superweapon(which could also possible be replicated later on). But by destroying Inquisitors it makes Vader and Sidious weaker, their control over the Force and galaxy begins to wane just a lil bit more and more, as it does they begin to lose power, by taking an apprentice it makes them lose power. We know this in TCW when Maul shifted the balance of the Force away from Sidious and to himself. The Force/ Dark Side is like a magnate. As Maul grew in power, Sidious' fear and envy grew over the chance his rival would jeopardize his life and his legacy. Maul isnt out there to assume control of the Galactic Empire or be a Sith Apprentice again, he's out to destroy them all. What we know on Snoke is that he holds Vader as weak and seeks to ultimately purge that weakness from Kylo Ren who struggles between his own light and the dark, but Snoke simultaneously uses that inner instability because it causes pain, anger and rage to use the him as a weapon and one that would be discarded once he was done with him. Snoke only uses Kylo for his power and to be legs and arms, a servant much like a Sith Apprentice. He's been fooling Ben with propaganda to manipulate him since he was a child(which is not unlike Palpatine's influence on young Anakin on Coruscant) into believing what he's doing is good and that he's some heir to something and forms re-creates the same environment to mimic the the Galactic Empire with the First Order(who are not the Galactic Empire but just a small remnant of it), the triumvirate power base comprising of Snoke, Kylo and Hux. Kylo holds no power over Hux much like Vader had no power over Tarkin. Maul has been applying his Sith training to topple the Empire and destroy the Inquisitors and all their masters(Vader and Sidious included). Snoke lies and manipulates out've his robe, much like a Sith but that does not make him a Sith. He may copy or perhaps share some aspects of the Sith ways, but that does not make him respectful or somehow Maul envious. As Dark Siders they all crave & want power and domination, all the villains ultimately fail despite whatever bits and pieces they do manage to secure. In fact Snoke claimed it was not poor strategy nor arrogance(which is major boldface lie as Sidious was a blunderer himself as were most of his military officers and the soldiers were often of inferior quality) that brought down the Galactic Empire, but Vader's weakness, his treachery and his sentiment. Snoke has been brainwashing Ben into becoming Kylo Ren, his Vader-like impostor using the infamy of Vader, and the visage. He uses Kylo Ren for his power and gassed up his head into believing he's the best and then quickly wants to do away with him once Rey appears to be stronger and more powerful on Starkiller base. Did not matter if he was Vader's nephew nor whatever deeds he accomplished or potential, Snoke wanted Rey while Kylo was the beaten and defeated Vader & Dooku hapless position awaiting execution & replacement before the master.

Right now, Maul seems more like dark mentor to Ezra, while Ahsoka was a part time inspirational figure to him, and Kanan the light side mentor. The show is more about Ezra and all the famous or infamous SW characters he meets directly or indirectly. I don't expect Season 3 to feature a lot of Maul, although that would be welcomed but he'd quickly take over the show and upstage them all much like with Vader. So he'll probably make a few appearances here and there so they can develop Ezra in whatever direction they want to go as its really his show. Maul needs his own comic series, episodes and movies.

 

You know what, I'm not going to bother. If you want to reread Snoke's Vader quote, read the TFA novelization.

 

On of the bet things about maul is that he while he usually operates from the shadows, he can very easily take front and center and be a power house when he needs too. this is one o the things that make him better and more versatile than Vader. Vader is like a sith warrior from the EU. All brawn no brains. Sure he has had some moments of intelligence, but without Sidious, Vader would be nothing. Just a formidable single warrior. He would have no way of starting up an empire. He just doesn't have the skills that are needed. Maul vs Vader in a fight, I don't know who comes out on top, but Maul vs Vader taking into account all different aspects of training and abilities, I think Maul is ahead. Really they need to be making a Maul spin off movie instead of a stupid Han Solo, he needs more screen time.

Also about that Lego TFA thing with Maul having two lightsabers, where does the other one come from? Does he find the other half of his first lightsaber?

 

Agreed, Vader is a great pilot and a battle commander, but he can't organize an empire and an army to use by himself, Maul however, we've seen he is capable of doing that in TCW, and if not for Sidious, he was ruling a significant portion of the galaxy and the crime families.

 

About earlier, I think Snoke refers to Vader´s saving Luke as "a momentary lapse in an otherwise exemplary life". There is clearly respect there, which changes quite a bit what happened to the perspective of Vader post-Endor by the darksiders in the EU. TBH, I really can´t see Maul as Vader´s equal or Sidious direct rival. I can see Maul envious of Vader, because he is quite simply the second most powerful man in the galaxy by the time of Rebels. I think Filoni said, at one point, that there was going to be a line where they asked Maul about who Vader was, and he replied that Vader was whom he (Maul) should be.

That said, it doesn´t mean that Vader would beat Maul anywhere easily. Maul was an important tool for Sidious before, because he had trained him for what, 20 years? and he was a great student, and it was a complete surprise and dissapointment to lose him in his first important mission. So now they must deal with him, because he is a dangerous foe, possibly the most dangerous around along with Mon Mothma and Bail Organa… I just don´t see Maul getting the upper hand in a direct fight against Vader, Sidious or the Empire at any point, really. And I kinda see him smarter now to just try that...

 

Wait what? What about Vader's lures, tactics and manipulations in the OT? It is mostly Vader's tactics that hurt the heroes the most and often they only got away through pure luck/the force being with them like in the battle over Yavin or at the end of Empire when R2 fixes the hyperdrive just in time. He had more partial successes and successes than even Palpatine in the OT (Palpatines tactics failed miserably every time).

In the Darth Vader comics, Vader is also shown as a very skilled manipulator.

And in Rebels, Vader turns the Rebels into pariahs on Lothal and destroyed part of their fleet by outsmarting them.

 

His tact in the OT? Almost all of his plans are from orders from Sidious, he makes only one decision on his own, that is in Ep IV when he puts a tracker on the MF, wow, so smart!

Also, I haven't read much in the way f new canon, but I did read Lords Of The Sith, and it is clearly shown that Vader cant make a good decision without his masters approval, he is to attached to his master, he cant make decisions for himself, so he looks to his master.

As for rebels, yes I already said he is a great warrior and it is known he is the best pilot, taking out a few rebel ships on his own doesn't show brains nor does it show the competence needed to buid an empire from the ground up. We all know Vader is just as rash and hasty as he was when he was Anakin.

 

That's simply not true and I'm content with the fact that the makers themselves obviously don't agree with you. They've consistently shown Vader as quite clever.

I think you missed the point of Lords of the Sith. Yes, Palpatine is a father figure to him and he reveres him almost like a god at that point in time. That doesn't mean that Vader himself isn't quite intelligent, he is dependent on Palpatine for emotional reasons.

And the part where he frames the Rebels and turned them into Pariahs, as well as had them lure him to the fleet escaped you?

 

Absolutely. The Darth Vader comic show him to be not only very powerful, but quite resourceful. The tracking in the ML was there to show Vader as a intelligent individual, and it allow them to find a secret base they have been looking for months. Not bad at all. And LOTS shows Vader with the Emperor. Obviously he´s not going to be making the calls, and it has nothing to do with intelligence. In fact, for what I remember, the Emperor did nothing during the attack to the star destroyer just to test him, and them surviving was Vader´s doing all along.

 

Going in alone, knowing that he could best the rebels, was actually a really good example of Vader's brains. Vader didn't need to go alone, he only did it because he knew that a bigger contingent would spook the rebels and that they would flee to hyperspace immediately. Going in alone, they underestimated him and decided to take him, which lead to the destruction of many fighters and the command ship. Notice how the Star Destroyers only showed up after the command ship was immobilized.

 

Something I just noticed:
The Shirt Maul wears is similar to the one he wore as a little boy

 

And something new...



Did not expect Maul to be possessed, as well as Kanan, but I went back and noticed that TWO entities emerged from the green glow. I wonder if this is a result of fusing the two holocrons, or if the green eyes come from the mission on Dathomir. Note: "the dark side trickster knows where a few secrets are buried," as in a grave on Dathomir?

 

Man Star Wars keeps getting better and better... I smell the return of Talzin, judging by that last picture you posted.

 

Just noticed that the holocron fusion scene takes place in Maul's asteroid base.

 

What trailer?

 

Of course, but I don't think it's been pointed out that the holocron scene also takes place onboard the station.

One thing to note, Kanan has his mask when Maul shoves him out the airlock during one of the trailers. Yet here when they're merging the holocrons he doesn't have it:



So either he loses the mask in space, or they visit Dathomir and then return to the station...?

It's not a grave, the scene with the ghosts takes place at the Nightsister village altar, same place where Maul and Savage were reborn. Nightsisters emerging from stone isn't unprecedented as Talzin's spirit is able to appear from a monolith in a Nightbrother temple. This suggests both locations are connected to the Spirit Realm.

 

Well, it is the same crew, using the same assets which were created at a time when SoD was going to be a full-blown arc instead of a comic.

 

Filoni said at Celebration that it already existed in some form and had to be "tweaked and repainted in the Rebels art style" which to me implies it was already created.

Skip to 20:37 in the video below:

 

I highly recommend it, it was a really fun panel. Lots of cool trivia, laugh-out-loud moments and Tiya is just adorable when she thinks she's said too much.

 

Tiya is one of the nicest people I have met that do acting in some form she was one of the 4 Lucasfilm related people I met at celebration.

The panel is definitely worth the watch.