Full Series Rebels 3.05 - Hera's Heroes - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

A rather bland & blase episode

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complete with all the usual routines and gags from the heroes and villains. I can't say it was a very well written or intelligent episode. The budget looked really low and felt more like an Season One episode of Rebels than TCW Season 3. Thrawn seems like an obsessive compressive & repressed psycho, in terms of mannerisms and performance he's akin to the Grand Inquisitor and Tarkin and so far seems a rehash minus a lightsaber but he's some kinda quick draw artist as he out draws Ezra(so much for Jedi reflexes).

 

Funny thing is i heard almost all lines in this episode from previous trailers,teasers and previews...

 

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Yes, thats pretty much correct for Thrawn's dialogue. .

 

Everything was going great with the episode until...

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Thrawn got pissed at Slavin because he did not appreciate art? What?

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What I liked is
that you can see Thrawn's brilliance and we get some chopper backstory.

 

Pretty bad episode.

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Thrawn had the chance capture the whole Ghost crew + Ryloth key rebels commanders. And he did nothing ?Why do you need observe someone if you can end him ? ( grand evil plan? )
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I would caution that you should probably put your posts in spoilers.

 

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Because he wants to destroy the entire Rebellion. you cant do that by killing the leader of 2 cells in an organization that contains hundreds of different groups.

 

CloneofVader

Until the episode airs on television on Saturday nights you must put your thoughts on what happens in the episode in spoiler tags.

 

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So grand evil plan then? Cham Syndulla for example fight only for Ryloth and with his demise planet resistance will fall...
And why Thrawn kills all those rebels at Batoon(?).
How ghost and Cham destruction will interfere with fleet destruction?
Thrawn himself said that he will crush the Rebels piece by piece.
Only reason i see- poor writing and plot armor.

 

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Thrawn is using Phoenix Squadron, and by extension the Ghost crew, in order to find the main Rebel fleet. If he kills the, he can't do that, and all of the progress he has made so far is undone. That would just be stupid and short-sighted of him, going around taking out every single cell isn't going to do anything to stop the Rebellion. He needs to take out their leadership and the main fleet, and the only way to find them is to draw them out.

Also he has no need to kill Cham. The situation on Ryloth is under control, the rebels are on the run, and Ryloth won't be freed until the Empire abandons it a few months after Endor (as was revealed in Aftermath). Thrawn has done his job on Ryloth very effectively, the planet isn't going to cause any major issues. If killing Cham means also killing the Ghost crew, then there's no reason to do it.

 

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So...Why he didnt just capture them? And learn all of it. And if for some reason he didn't capture them why he didn't follow them?
No need to kill Cham ? Why? You know how good officers are valuble in guerrilla warfare(any warfare) His death will strike a cripple blow to Ryloth resistance.

 

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The Ghost crew don't know anything valuable. That's kind of the entire point of the cell system, they covered that in season 1. Capturing them wouldn't help him achieve his goal whatsoever.

He didn't need to kill Cham because Thrawn had already dealt a crippling blow to the Ryloth resistance. As I said, a blow so crippling that Ryloth would never be able to earn their freedom until the Empire decided to leave. Killing Cham would have been even more crippling, but at the end of the day it's not necessary. The strategy worked regardless, so there literally wasn't a need to do it.

 

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also by killing Cham he would make him a martyr and cause more trouble. Also Hera&co proved to be a bit challenging - and a good challenge make the win even more sweet

 

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So what ? Without him(experience military commander) what a bunch of peasants can do?

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Ghost crew know rebel base location. Enough for start. Capture the base=more prisoners(commander Sato)=more Rebellion knowledge. (basic but effective strategy)
So he dont want to kill Cham because he already damage them enough? Wow that something...
I eager to learn Thrawn plan. Right now i see only poor writing.

 

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The Ghost crew know nothing about the location of the Rebel base. They know the location of their own base, but that's not what Thrawn's after. Sato doesn't know much more than they do, he wouldn't be any help either. All capturing them would do is cut off his source of information. That's the entire point of the cell system.

It's not that Thrawn doesn't want to kill Cham, it's just that in this instance doing so would also mean killing the Ghost crew, would be be stupid of him to do. If it were just Cham he definitely would have done so, but Cham's not important enough to risk his entire plan on. Like I've said multiple times, Thrawn's plan worked incredibly well anyway, so it really doesn't matter. And he understood that.

 

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I enjoyed this episode, seeing Thrawn the way he is compared to the rest of the Empires lackey's is refreshing.

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Not sure why Ezra however, never used any force powers at all in this episode when he could easily have. (Won't say anything else until after it's aired).

 

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Their base is also a Rebel Base even if not the only one.How do you know what Sato does know and what not? Ghost crew know Organa and his dotter for example...(Organa know Mon Mothma and so on...) Just learning about biggest rebels leaders and their capture a big victory(+Rebels this big know about both main fleet and base). Without them bunch of small cells present no danger for the Empire.

 

That was one of the best parts of the episode and to think I was worried about it when I saw it in the preview. It ended up being so great.

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He wasn't pissed at Slavin because he did not appreciate art. He was pissed because of Slavin's xenophobia, his contempt for other species and their culture.

It is a moment that tells us so much about Thrawn, that he is not your ordinary Imperial officer. Despite reaching the status of Grand Admiral, he still sees himself as an outsider.

I thought this was a spectacular episode. It might be my favorite episode of Rebels so far, not just this season but in the whole series.

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We learned a lot about Thrawn, about Hera, and even a little bit about Chopper.

Also, a little speculation based on what happened in this episode:

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I said earlier in the year that I thought maybe only Cham was going to die at Thrawn's hands. I am adding to that prediction, Cham may still die at Thrawn's hand, but now I think Thrawn will cause at least one member of the Ghost crew to die. I don't think they are not going to deliver on the threat.

 

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Thrawn doesn't want a rebel base, he wants the rebel base. We don't know the exact specifics of what Sato knows and what he doesn't, but we do know that he still goes through Fulcrum, so he doesn't know much.

Thrawn doesn't know the Ghost crew has met the head of the Rebellion. This isn't his first time dealing with rebels, the vast majority have never even heard Bail's name. And there's no guarantee they would talk either, everyone on that crew is incredibly strong-willed. Bail definitely wouldn't talk either, you're making the mistake of underestimating the rebels. Makes much more sense not to risk it and draw out the main fleet himself.

 

Did anyone notice that the Phantom was still on the Ghost in this episodes? xD

 

I wish this forum had a button to open all the spoiler tags on a page.

 

This episode is Nicole Dubuc's first and she absolutely nailed it. I adored this episode, nearly everything was perfect with it. What is it with Hera episodes being the best ones? A lot of great character development and world building in this episode, and the first episode to have Thrawn as the main villain and he was...

Thrawn was fantastic, that freak out on Slavin was truly menacing. I look forward to finding out what his endgame will be.

Isn't Ezra a little short for a Scout Trooper? (If J.J. Abrams had his say they would have said that)

Kinda sad they didn't reclaim it, but I loved it.

Also, Chooper was legit laughing maniacally while he was planting the bombs. He is crazy.

 

CloneofVader

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Thrawn knows his enemies. How they work and what would draw them out. What would hurt them the most. That's why he studies so much. If he can get the fleet to attack a smaller fleet, an easy target. Then what's to stop his fleet from showing up after the fight starts to take out most of theirs.

 

Also, Hera continues to be my favorite member of the Ghost crew.

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Really enjoyed her interaction with Thrawn.