Rogue One [Spoilers] Inconsistencies with the rest of the saga

Dr Evazan and Ponda Baba could well have been on their way to a/their ship when they had their moment. Could have been off planet five minutes later.

 

This line actually makes even more sense now. She normally has diplomatic immunity, but Vader now has evidence of her collaboration with the Rebel Alliance. He doesn't specifically mention it in great detail, but why would he bother? He's simply stating as a fact, which it is, given recent events.

 

I don't understand that cameo at all- those are like the most forgettable characters in entire saga to me (yeah sorry all Ponda Baba and Dr. Evazan fans there)

 

Yeah they get a cameo but Wedge does not? For shame

 

There were always going to be a few inconsistent elements to Rogue One but thankfully there were not any major ones which ruined the experience

 

TCF-1138 wrote

That totally wasn't the Tantive IV... it was the... other ship... Tantive III. Or Tantive V.

I'll have to watch the film again, but that was my impression, too.

Earlier in the film, Bail Organa specifically stated that he'll be sending Leia on a mission to pick up Obi-Wan Kenobi (so apparently the Tantive IV didn't take part in the space battle).

IIRC, the Blockade Runner that was leaving with that data carrier had all his escape pods in place. But the Tantive IV already had at least two missing when it was captured by Vader's Devastator:



Once in the Rebel's possession, the crew of the Blockade Runner that escaped the battle might have re-transmitted the plans to the Tantive IV before it somehow got destroyed.

Or we have a serious continuity problem, as the dialogue and context in the opening scenes of ANH would suggest.

IMPERIAL OFFICER
The Death Star plans are not in the main computer.

VADER
Where are those transmissions you intercepted? (later: Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.)

VADER
What have you done with those plans?

REBEL OFFICER
We intercepted no transmissions. Aaah... This is a consular ship. Were on a diplomatic mission. (to pick up Kenobi on Tatooine...)

In addition we have the vocal concerns of Vader's aide:

Holding her is dangerous. If word of this gets out, it could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the senate. (i.e. the attack on a consular ship and the violation of diplomatic immunity)

So apparently there were no visual recordings of the Tantive IV participating in that battle, because that would have been enough evidence to revoke any diplomatic immunity Princess Leia might have had...

Darth Trepid wrote

There were always going to be a few inconsistent elements to Rogue One but thankfully there were not any major ones which ruined the experience.

IMHO, "a few" is an understatement, I noticed quite "a few" but concur there were no major ones ruining the experience.
I'm really, really glad that this incompatible "many Rebel cells that didn't know of each other during the events of ANH" approach - as suggested by Rebels Retcon for "Wings of Courage" - has been buried by RO.

 

I reckon plenty of people, especially wanted criminals, would've hightailed it out of Jedha City as soon as the fighting started between Saw's rebels and the Imperials.

 

Lt. Hija The SW movies are not documentaries.

 

CrazyOldJedi

If you want to invoke the old "It's just a film" argument and everybody agrees, then this thread serves no purpose. Personally I would have liked to see more continuity in various details (not rocket science, just give ANH on disc a few spins, copy and paste), especially since this film is the immediate prequel to ANH.

 

It's all about the level of detail that you think is acceptable. Not all of us are rivet counters.

 

News flash: this thread DOESN'T serve a purpose...

 

Leia told Han in the Falcon as they made their way to Yavin 4 that "I just hope the day will come a weakness will be found" or something like that ("It's not over yet" was her next line). That implies the Rebellion had no idea exactly how to destroy the Death Star or even a weakness existed. In Rogue One though we find out Galen specifically left a weakness that could destroy it and Jyn knew how it could be done. I felt like that was a small but important inconsistency.

 

In what way? The plans were transmitted but not the exact details of the weakness. The Rebels still had to analyse & find it & it's understandable for some to be skeptical. Or at least not take for granted that Jyn was definitely right.

 

It was implied heavily they knew the weakness. It wasn't some sort of big mystery they needed to discover like it was in ANH. It's not a big deal but again it is something that makes the series less smooth.

 

Democracy had been gone for years up to this point. The Imperial Senate were nothing more than a puppet show by this point. The Emperor and his Ruling Council had all the power - the Senate was completely neutered.

 

Strange Old Hermit

Yep and we learn in ANH that the Emperor disbanded the Imperial Senate shortly after the events of Rogue One because the Rebellion even in a senate full of cronies for the Emperor was getting sympathy. Don't forget the regional governors had a lot of power too and were gained more once the Emperor eliminated the Imperial Senate as they along with the Death Star were supposed to be the ones that keep local systems in order.

 

I don't really agree. Jyn only offered a vague layman's description of the weakness. Many of the Rebels didn't believe her anyway. After obtaining the plans they hoped that a weakness could be found/confirmed. A weakness that they'd be able to exploit. I think it works.

 

CrazyOldJedi wrote

It's all about the level of detail that you think is acceptable. Not all of us are rivet counters.

If you are referring to production details, you then can blame me for having seen ANH way too many times and up to the point where I can't help but (also subconciously) notice when things are "off".

Nevertheless, the final events in RO should be compatible with Vader's statements at the beginning of ANH. That's not "rivet counting" but an understandable (IMHO) desire for continuity.

Luke02

LEIA
The technical readouts of that battle station. I only hope that when the data is analyzed, a weakness can be found. It's not over yet!

According to RO there was considerable doubt whether that weakness even existed, because the only (surviving) eye-witness to Galen Erso's statement was his daughter.
Previously I found it rather irresponsible that Leia was heading straight for Yavin IV after their Death Star escape, because earlier in ANH she had been rather willing to sacrifice Alderaan than to disclose the location of the Rebel hidden base.
She was aware of the homing beacon aboard the Falcon and still led the Death Star to Yavin IV, based on what kind of expectation?

RO has now provided a good reason for her behaviour, i.e. she believed in the story of the design flaw, her father probably told her.

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which brings me to something I'm not sure whether it qualifies as an inconsistency (or plothole) or not (had a long discussion with my best SW friend last night, who did not like the film, but thought differently).

Why didn't Captain Andor shoot Galen Erso?

IIRC, he had first received (secret) orders to shoot him on sight (as Alliance intelligence apparently hoped that could stall the completion of the Death Star). But he also learned that he supposedly installed a flaw in the station's design that the Alliance could use to destroy it.

When he got into sniping position, there was something odd going on on that platform with all the engineers being brought out. Wasn't there the possibility that Krennic and his men arrived to apprehend Galen Erso and would it not have been imperative too shoot him (so his little secret would have gotten buried with him rather than to be extracted during an Imperial interrogation)?

 

That's neither an inconsistency nor a plot hole, it was the point of the scene. Thats why they were all talking about it the whole time. Watch the movie instead of counting escape pods.

 

weezer

What's up with the hostility? I did watch the movie (no need to be condescending) but only once, thus far, and underlined "I'm not sure", clearly expressing doubt. So instead of mocking me for counting escape pods, perhaps you can provide a productive comment instead.

IIRC, Captain Andor didn't hesitate to kill an informer earlier, rather than to let the stormtroopers capture him and learn what the informer knew. Had Krennic taken Galen Erso with him he probably would have learned about the deliberate design flaw. I do not recall that this particular problem was thoroughly discussed because the Alliance fighters intervened, Erso died and that was the end of it.

 

Antilles and Leia claimed diplomatic immunity, which, regardless of what he knew, would legally prevent Vader from interfering the way he does.
It's as simple as that.

I think.

 

Even thought way Tantive IV escaped the battle is not completely logic with the way Vader's comments in ANH I don't think that's any massive continuity problem- just a little oddity that didn't ruin the movie experience. Maybe Vader was not sure if Tantive was the exact same cruiser that left Scarif and Leia intercepted some other transmission that gave her location away over Tatooine.

Problem is that many senators are sympathetic to the rebellion- no matter what really happened- it would be easy to make it look like Vader was one to blame and he attacked diplomatic vessel anyways.

 

I have traced the Rebel spies to her. Now she is my only link to find their secret base!


Should have thought about that before wiping out the entire crew of the Profundity and any other ships left after the battle (and blowing up their navi-computers presumably).

 

I am a little confused. Perhaps I just need it explained. However, if C3PO and R2D2 are on Yavin IV before the battle of Scarif, then how to they get to Tantive IV when at the end of RO we only see Lea? Shouldn't they be on that ship?

 

Threepio walked and Artoo rolled to the parked up Tantive IV. It then took off and joined up with the Rebel fleet. They were on the Tantive IV, you just didn't see them on the flight deck.