Rogue One [Official Info] Vader in Rogue One

I really need to see it again. One viewing at the cinema isn't enough. I didn't believe he was following a guy with the plans in his hand all the way to the Tantive. I thought he was heading for the Tantive to stop its escape as he believed thats where the plans were beamed to or the people that knew where the plans were were on that ship. How he knew the Tantive was making a run for it I don't know, we're left to join the dots and all come up with different ideas. But we then get in to the typical Hollywood debate of why do certain things when theres a quicker way to resolve the issue. Lots of things appear in films that look good but maybe don't make as much common sense as they should.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head there.

 

... otherwise James Bond would have been executed on the spot and never made it past 1962.

 

That's because his Executor crashed into the Death Star II.

 

Interesting stuff

and more at the link.
http://www.slashfilm.com/darth-vaders-castle-rogue-one/

 

Seems like a good place for Snoke to drag Kylo Ren to in order to "complete his training".

Whatever that means.

 

I think that means epVIII is going to be a reboot of Rocky IV.

Rey and Luke training out in the woods. While Snoke and Kylo train in the USSR-steroid-Vader Castle.

May be before the big battle in the end, Kylo will say "I must break you."

 

Jumping into this thread late, so apologies...but do we know if that planet is Mustafar or not?

 

Allegedly confirmed as the planet with that name by P Hidalgo and in the novelization. But only second hand confirmation. Not seen a quote yet.

 

I suspect it was inspired by the early concepts of Had Abbadon, so I guess it could be either place in the end.

 

100% confirmed. I've seen it with my own eyes in the hardback Art of Rogue One book too.

 

I do think they are pushing the edges of what the word "tracing" can mean, but I do not think they have crossed over that point yet. We just need to remember people, except lawyers, do not tend to speak in super precise terms. When we hear a character say something we should not assume it necessarily happens exactly the way you first imagine it happening.

While I am perfectly fine with how they did it, I do agree they could have just as easily gone for a more literal interpretation where instead of having the person at the end of the hallway passing on the disc, he is talking to a hologram of Leia transmitting the information to her.

 

I wonder if Vader resided in the place of his greatest defeat just to remind him of what happened to keep his hatred fueled, keeping his power with the dark side strong. Every day getting reminded of the worst day of his life, I can only imagine.

 

Being a lawyer, I cannot possibly think of what you mean...

But, that does bring up a point. Movie speech simply doesn't reflect real life speech. To me, movie speech has a tendency to be far more "perfect" and precise than real life speech. For me, applying that to Star Wars, I expect something very different than what we saw in R1 based on the lines early in Hope.

 

Fair point.

 

I said he had no role in the plot, and he didn't. You've said nothing to disprove my statement.

 

Anyone got an in-universe explanation for why Vader's methods of cracking down on the Rebels in Tantive IV (in the beginning of ANH) are less visually spectacular (if just as angry) than the ones he's using up until the end of R1?

 

Vader didn't have any role in the plot. He was a side character that was only there to establish the character as being involved in the search for the Death Star plans so he isn't just randomly suddenly involved once ANH starts. The first scene was there to establish him for the last scene, and the last scene was there to establish his involvement for ANH. So while he didn't have a role in the plot he was included for story reasons. Whether or not it was necessary to establish him for ANH is debatable.

 

As a professional writer of that kind of dialogue, I agree. There is a precision to any kind of dialogue that's designed to be performed for the purposes of storytelling - but it's not like speech writing where you can get verbose and flowery, or scientific language that has to describe events in an order of detail. You have to be very careful to make things sound naturalistic, and specific to the character you're writing for. You have to allow for verbal tics and nuances. Many (good) writers will weave those aspects in, plus you have the additional layers that actors bring. I'm not familiar enough with Rogue One to recall all Vader's lines save the "aspirational" one, but I recall it sounding right. He's not a scientist, he has that acerbic, threatening humor that laces many of his interactions and he does like metaphor or understatement. I think I'd have to see the movie again to see if I felt there was a genuine disconnect between the end of it and the beginning of ANH. But now I feel as if I'd be looking for it, and I was genuinely caught up in the final scenes - what jerked me out my immersion was the sudden appearance of Waxwork Doll Leia. And while I was instantly freaked out by acknowledgment of my own "Uncanny Valley" reaction, it didn't matter 'cause the end credits rolled.

Either way, I need to see it again...

Yeah... psychologically and metaphorically, that's dark! Spectacular views on one's own past, plus the lava fields. And a great way to keep all that hatred and rage a boilin', seasoned with a good dose of bitterness and abstract self-loathing, too.

 

Yeah, I think Vader should have had Tarkin's early scenes in this movie. Have Vader overseeing the Death Star until that first test when it works, then Palpatine is like "ok job done here, Lord Vader, now Moff Tarkin take over from here for the details..." And that's what infuriates Krennic. He's thinking the Emperor will put him in charge once Vader leaves, but instead Palpatine via hologram replaces Vader with another boss for Krennic in Tarkin. So that's why Krennic goes to see Vader and plead his case, etc.

That way we get more Vader early, less CGI Tarkin, and a real reason for Krennic to go see Vader on Mustafar.

Also think it would have been great if a subplot was that on Scariff, Krennic finds out that the Rebel Base is on Yavin 4 (perhaps his Death troopers somehow determine where the Rogue One ship, which was an Imperial model, had just come from) but then of course Tarkin blows Krennic up before Krennic can use this information. Irony.

 

I disagree. His role served no function in the plot of this film. He could have been mentioned at the end in a post credit scene, "dispatch Lord Vader!" and nothing would have changed in the plot of R1.

 

Yep, someone commented on it few pages back. In R1, he has the plans within a reach, on Tantive IV he has to find out first where are the plans exactly-where are they hidden and what theyve done with them, if anything. Thats why he orders for some to be brought alive

 

As Sam Witwer (DarthMaul on Rebels) said on Twitter, the point of Vader slicing up people left and right is to show the need for a counter balance in the Force and the imperative for Luke to become a Jedi.

Or it's dictatorship and Death Stars forever.

Because the Senate still has power and authority up to the point Tarkin says it's been disbanded.

Vader tells Krennic "There is no Death Star as far as the Senate knows." Remember it is the Death Star that makes Palpatine think he can control everything without the Senate.

 

how are people complaining about this? i swear people will complain about anything. just stop watching sw so you can complain about something else.

 

Hm, I would have thought the destruction of a major city and the potential for much more to come did that job just fine.