ST Carrie Fisher (Leia Organa) in the ST

I'm looking at the character with rose colored glasses because you didn't like Carrie Fisher's performance in The Force Awakens?

OK.

Meanwhile you don't know much about Carrie Fisher, or even the parts she's been playing over the last 20 years, if you think the Leia in TFA was like that at all. Go watch even one interview featuring Fisher, or have one look at her more recent roles, and come back and tell me how Carrie was playing herself.

"Detached"? Which Carrie Fisher are you referring to?

Hard-edged? Did you not see A New Hope? Since when did Leia ever not have a "hard edge"?

Want Sassy, energetic Leia? Go look at her two deleted scenes. She's right there...played by Carrie Fisher. That's not a performance failure, it's an editing and writing one.

 

I love the idea that a woman in her late 50's can't connect with the character she brought to life because... she's aged and experienced?

The "arguments" against Carrie's acting are always very amusing. Too bad she had all those award nominations and praising reviews.

 

I especially love the part where he claims that Carrie Fisher is basically playing herself.

Which, apparently, is someone detached, hard, and lacking in sass, energy and charisma.

Yep, sounds exactly like Carrie Fisher. She was so devoid of sass, energy, charisma and was the queen of detachment.

 

I'll admit I was confused with that one. I didn't even know they were the same character until my father pointed out. After that I could not take the film seriously.

 

The absolute best solution is to have Leia pass away either in VIII or in IX, in order to come back as a force ghost using CGI. That way you can mask imperfections from CGI if she's a force ghost instead of real flesh like Tarkin. You can also still have that moment where force ghost Leia comes to speak to Kylo in IX.

They simply don't have enough footage to split her roles in IX and VIII. Whether you like it or not, CGI will have to be used if she's going to continue on in the story.

 

Recast. Pernilla August.

The CGI is not perfected to where you can create an entire performance, yet.

Finish up Leia's arc as it was originally meant to be done. You can do a lot with practical and digital makeup.

Carrie was a generous and pragmatic soul. She would want Leia to have her story, completed in the most emotionally satisfying way, possible.

 

The confrontation between Leia and Kylo Ren is in VIII according to THR. Which makes sense as she needs to fail like Han Solo so that Rey - the main character - will later succeed as I've said before.

Rey meets Han -> Han confronts Kylo Ren
Rey meets Leia -> Leia confronts Kylo Ren

 

are you sure they mention both VIII and IX in their article without really specifying?

maybe Kylo is the one who puts Leia in the coma when she fails to reach him.

 

The same Pernilla August who plays Leia's grandmother and died onscreen 4 movies ago?

Why not cast Natalie Portman and age her up?

 

Surely one of these scenes has to be in Viii. Of the two, her confrontation with Kylo seems the most important, but that logically feels like a conclusion, and would be saved for IX.
This sucks. Even with time and creativity it's likely IX will be a lesser movie because of Carrie's death, and we should collectively agree to be merciful to those making the decisions, because none of their options are very pleasing to anyone. I can't imagine how difficult it'll be for this team to meet and talk about where to go now, when they knew Carrie in person.

 

but makes no sense to put the Luke&Leia reunion in IX. I also don't see a reason why Rey would succeed reaching Kylo while Han&Leia (his parents) failed. Even if Rey is his sister that he almost didn't know at all, I don't see a reason why she would reach him, while he decided to kill off / destroy his parents. Doesn't make up for a redemption at all. Leia as his mother on the other hand would make more sense to reach Kylo.

 

It could be for IX and the article I notice doesn't differentiate. It just makes more sense for VIII if it were up to me.

 

a Leia vs Kylo confrontation doesn't make sense for VIII in my opinion and more for IX. I see no reason why a sister Kylo never knew would reach him, while his own mother who gave birth to him cannot reach him. I don't see the logic there. I don't see such a strong bond of brother and sister. A bond of mother and son should be much stronger, especially after 'Life Debt' novel.

 

It looks to me like they were going for a Dark Empire comic ending. Kylo Ren said he was going to finish what Vader started, possibly meaning turning Luke to the Dark Side. As per DE Leia and I assume Rey then go rescue him while defeating Snoke who takes Palpatine's role. Now that Fisher has passed away, I wonder if it's too late to do some reshoots and have her sacrifice but still Luke turns, then it's Rey who takes Leia DE spot.

 

Any critism of Fisher's acting in this thread is really just a gift for most of us, isn't it? It gives us an excuse to express our favorite moments that she expertly did. My favorite moment might actually be the beautifully and hysterical moment when she gives C3PO the stink eye when he realizes he needs to give her and Han a private moment. It's perfect Leia.

I think Fisher was a much more grounded, nuanced actor than people, or even herself, gave her credit for. Her timing is pretty spot on too.

 

after all the bad things happening, what should make Luke turn to the dark side now? I see no reason, he is already in exile, detached and away from everyone to be tempted in any way.

 

I think Luke and Leia reuniting will be in Episode 8, probably near the end. The Leia and Kylo meeting would have definitely been saved for Episode 9, though, just as I suspected. I'm very sad about this for two reasons. Firstly, I'm sad that Carrie won't be around to see 8 and seemingly be a part of a major story for Episode 9. I'm also sad because, you know, I'm a SW fan. The saga we all love is going to be impacted in such a massive way. I hope the makers make the right decision and I wish them good luck.

 

Yes, THAT Pernilla August, with makeup and subtle CGI.

Guys, Carrie is gone. We all loved her. And now the show must go on.

LEIA deserves a well paced, dramatically satisfying story arc, with a real conclusion.

Portman is a no go.

 

Everything depends on the writing, now even more so.

If Leia was supposed to play a major role on Ben's redemption, but the writers decide to now kill her between VIII and IX, her death should have a great impact on her son and make him question what he's been doing, specially with her death is caused by the First Order.

Then, Luke, as his only living relative and the closest thing he has for a parent now, should reach Ben and bring him back, fulfilling Han and Leia's final wishes.

If Rey is Ben's long lost sister and her supposed death was what ultemately caused his fall to the Dark Side, she'll be the obvious choice to redeem him, as her mere existence will make Kylo realize that everything he has done is based on a lie/mistake.

But, sadly, a loving and forgiving uncle, or even a long lost sister, won't be nearly as powerful as a mother and son scene. Destiny is a cruel thing.

 

Recasting is literally the last resort. I highly doubt it's going to happen.

This isn't the same thing as replacing Dumbledore after the original actor passed. We've been living with Carrie Fisher as Leia for 4 decades. CGI will 100% be used.

 

I do think that now a lot of Leia's scenes in Episode 9 (and maybe even 8) will be handed over to Luke. I suppose it makes the most sense.

 

That's why the best thing to do if the character dies in the film, is to have her come back as a force ghost.

 

Don't know how they would present it. Out of pure futility?