ST Carrie Fisher (Leia Organa) in the ST

what do you guys think of the petition to have Leia be a Disney Princess?

I approve and think it's cool.

 

Link works for me.

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The link works for me.

 

That sounds just beautiful!

 

Ellen's tribute to her friend Carrie.

 

So I'm a few pages too late for this, but in case it gets started again - LET"S BE HONEST about this (Carrie's acting).

You and half the world's population are free to think her acting wasn't up to par. However, implying you and ALL the world's population have a consensus on that (or any actor's performance, or how hated Jar Jar/the PT/ is) is patently false.

Is it really to much to hope that we can preface statements like this, with a "IMHO her acting/Jar Jar..." is ____? Or I felt "her performance didn't have the sass and spunk or whatever..."?

(And a shout out to those who used that as a spur to remembering your favorites moments - way not to get into an argument that would get my modly dander up. Good job!)

 

That's not a denial and Pablo knows it.

"Did you eat a PB&J sandwich today?"
"Don't believe what you read in public restrooms."

 

I don't know if I mentioned it, but seeing that deleted scene. I'm very good friends with someone who knows Maisie and her family. And all while filming the Force Awakens I kept hearing how much she loved working with Carrie... How much fun she was, and giving. (And yes, she was given the heads up that most of her stuff was cut.)

 

That poor family

 

Exactly right! Pablo is a MASTER at dodging difficult questions while making it seem like he actually gave an answer.

This is just another dodge.

As an aside, I know Lucas is no longer involved, but I hope somebody at least asks him for his thoughts on this. He created Leia and he was a close friend of Carrie's.

 

K. Kennedy already confirmed that they would hold a company meeting this month back in November. So I don't know what the hell Pablo is talking about.

 

I adored Carrie Fisher. I loved her honesty about the movie industry and life in general. I loved how she never took anything too seriously, especially herself. I'm saddened that her bright, fun light has gone out in this world, but am grateful that we get to enjoy it for as long as we did.

On the subject of her work which she used to pay the bills; her writing was just as good at the end as it always had been, but as far as her acting, the years and milage weren't kind. I'm not throwing stones. She admitted herself countless times that she suffered from mental illness which is devastating for actors who require intense focus and precision in order to seem natural and genuine on screen. I'm part of a rare group of people who are able to compartmentalize the work of actors on screen and separate the performance from the deeds (or misdeeds) of their personal lives, probably because I've been one and known so many. I reiterate that I adored Carrie as a human being. As an actress, I didn't feel it in Force Awakens. I thought it was weak performance. That may be heresy to some who are still hurting from her loss. I guess I'm just a quick healer. Some day years down the road, it will once again be generally ok to not have enjoyed her performance in The Force Awakens when the grieving process has been completed and everyone stops being so sensitive (like Carrie, the ultimate not-sensitive person ). So as it relates to the movies, which, don't get me wrong, are insignificant next to a human life, but do pay a lot of crew people's bills and will continue to be made, I think the role of Leia must be recast. Yes, yes, more heresy...until you get used to it. Remember Dumbledore in Harry Potter? Imagine if they killed that character off in honour of Richard Harris. Looking back, I think it would have been the wrong call for the character's arc, as well as the story as a whole. This idea of killing off characters when the actor passes away is simply one way to go. There's more than one way for most things. Another way to go is to recast Leia and give the character her proper ending. There's no way to give Carrie a proper ending, real life isn't a movie and can't be re-edited. I don't see the logic in abruptly killing off the character of Leia and leaving so many loose ends too. The character has so many potentially powerful, inspiring scenes left, and if the right actress is cast, they may be just as memorable as Carrie's performance was in the OT.

 

I don't think Pablo is denying there's a meeting taking place. Clearly it's a no-brainer that meetings about 9 have to take place ASAP given the tragedy. This won't be resolved with phone calls and emails.

I think he's just quipping about the speculation in those articles. That's all. I bet Trevorrow, Johnson and Kennedy and the story group are meeting very soon and a decision and plan of action will take hold sooner than we think.

 

Adam Driver on Colbert's The Late Show talking about Carrie: http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/01/06/adam-driver-carrie-fisher-tribute-stephen-colbert/
“She burns very bright and had such a great, very generous energy. For that suddenly not to be on set… we were talking about it, all the publicity, just in life…” he paused, then concluded, “To have her character not part, not only in the movie, missing from that small unit is a tragedy.”
While talking with Stephen, he revealed that filming wrapped on the second movie last summer, before sharing that it was also the last time he saw Carrie. To make it even more sentimental, she was in costume as her iconic character.

I only watched the later part of the show where Driver was talking about Carrie so I don't remember if this transcribed wording is exactly correct, but it sounds so odd to me. As if Leia dies in Ep8 as well? I do remember Driver was kinda stumbling over his words and not the most eloquent so maybe he just phrased what he was saying about Carrie's role in an unintentional way?

I'm holding onto some hope that they have some shred of footage of Carrie acting with Adam so the mother-son scene won't just consist of CGI...though maybe Kylo or Luke seeing a hologram of Leia would be easier for graphics.

 

Well if the rumor of Luke not leaving Ahch-To is true the Kylo/Leia scene might have been shot for VIII. That might explain why he was on set with her in costume.

 

Leia's scene in IX could involve robed and hooded attire with eyes concealed, avoiding the uncanny valley. Her reunion with Luke can still happen..... he could visit her, and together, they reach out through the Force, holding hands, to connect with Ben and save him from the dark side. Sort of a séance / intervention type of meeting.

Spoiler

 

I was not being serious about Natalie Portman.

That sounds about as plausible to me as Ms. August however.

 

Interesting, because it wasn't until her latter years that she garnered two Emmy awards for her acting; for a guest appearance on 30 Rock and for her one woman show (note: deteriorated actors don't typically pull of 2 hour, one person shows that get to Broadway). Her performance from that same one woman show, Wishful Drinking, also earned her prestigious Grammy, Drama Desk and Outer Critic Circle award nominations, with her winning the last.

For anyone actually interested in seeing how sharp, funny, and natural Carrie still is as an actor I suggest you check out her material in Catastrophe, Girlfriend's Guide to Divorce or Legit, all recent work.

If you want to see one of the best, most critically acclaimed acting pieces of Carrie Fisher's entire career I suggest you check out this film, again from her latter career:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1034419/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_18

Mental illness and all, Carrie was working until the day she died. She was more in demand now than she'd been in years.

Thanks for this criticism of Carrie. It's always good to be able to set the record straight about how good she still was as an actor, up until the very end. If you're just looking at Star Wars you're missing the forest for the one tree.

 

I hope any scene featuring Leia and Kylo Ren stays in the film, thats one of the showdowns the fans want to see.

 

I'm all for the idea of using a stand-in actor for Leia, but not a recast.

It probably comes down to just semantics and mindset, but the word we use to describe this situation makes a world of difference to me.

To me a stand-in simply is for body/wide shots to help finish Leias originally intended story arc by having her physically and believably present in necessary scenes. Some CGI may be used in additional specific scenes (eg full closeup on face), but if they got someone like Stevie Nicks and her uncanny likeness to Carrie, they wouldnt even need to CGI for most shots not directly centred on her face.

"Recast" implies Princess Leia is being replaced from Carrie to someone else. And I dont think thats possible. This isnt like Dumbledore, who did one movie and died shortly after with X more movies to come. This isnt Bond where we come to expect it for the character. Carrie has been Leia for 40 years and its just so locked in stone it shouldnt really be changed.

So i'm all for using an actor 'stand-in' to help finish Leias arc, perhaps even with specific CGI where needed, but not a recast of Leia. This also means i'd want Leias original planned arc, if as important as redeeming Kylo (mother redeem son) to be preserved and not altered/written out / watered down.

Make sense?

Of course, a standin would only really work well if they found someone who had a very strong resemblance for me to accept it as genuine without coming across as tacky (Eg: Thinking, "This actress looks nothing like Carrie!!!" would be very distracting during the film). And it wouldnt be easy to find a suitable stand-in, I imagine. Stevie just looks so much like her shes the most obvious goto example at the moment.

But then again, nothing about this situation is 'easy'.





If they could find someone who looked *that* close to Carrie, and use that to help HONOUR and finish Leias character arc the way originally planned, or at least in the spirit of - i'd be very happy.

 

It could be as simple as "Leia was killed in VIII" and the rumor that she was going to have a pivotal scene in IX with Kylo Ren already happened.

 

Even if they are going to do an ounce of CGI they will need a stand in. That's unavoidable no matter what. That's not the same as recast.

 

decraniated here's the Colbert clip with subtitles. Carrie tribute starts from 6:24 min



EDIT: Damn, where are the subtitles? How is it possible to have the same without with subtitles on one page but not on the other? Oh, well.