ST Daisy Ridley (Rey) in the ST

that would be awful, unless she turns evil or something with no hope but she should not die if any of the new people should die it should be kylo even though I love adam driver.

 

She'd look pretty cool as a dark sider, but to me it seems so far off as it can get right now with her meeting up with Luke 'Beacon of Light' Skywalker.

If this was Game of Thrones then yeah, you could see a relatively new character that the audience likes get brutally murdered - but in Star Wars that's not a thing, so I doubt the writers will take the risk of killing her off or have her join the already dominant dark side.

 

Then either way, Padme gets effectively fridged and their father is the only one that matters as far as the OT story is concerned.

 

That's kind of a trend in SW unfortunately. Even RO suffered from it as well (which really disappointed me).

It's why Sabine's relationship with her mother potentially being really important on Rebels excites me so much.

 

Off topic, but man the blue of that saber is so vibrant. It's beautiful.

 

I love this fan art; Rey in The Shadow:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2iNHoDXgAEOWyO.jpg

 

That is very cool. The saber is the only source of light. (still want her to get a dual-bladed one eventually, but hey).

 

I don't really take facial expressions as proof of anything. Obi Wan was angry when he fought Maul after Maul fatally wounded Qui Gon (Obi Wan's mentor and friend). Yoda had "intense" facial expressions when he dueled both Dooku and Sheev. And yet neither of them, in the films anyway, even came close to falling.

It doesn't make you a Dark Sider to get emotional in such situations, it just makes you a person with feelings. Not letting it consume you, now THAT'S the important part.

 

I've said in a different thread that I would find it interesting if Rey turned to the dark side and brought herself back. However, I had a very specific route in this when I was first thinking of it (which I may have momentarily forgotten in posts) which was that it occurs as a result of killing Snoke. My original idea I thought I liked was that at the end of Ep. 8 she kills Snoke, but ends up using the dark side to do it. Although I don't necessarily think Snoke is a powerhouse of a character (though unfortunately he's just an unknown), he could be in some way... "tricksy." It may not be the easiest to kill him (he may make it more complicated than it appears--he is after all, Dark Merlin). So anyway in defeating him, it turns her and I was really hoping for the Sith eyes and Force lightening. Then in Ep. 9 she can turn herself back (which will be amaaaazing; that way we can continue the ridiculous trend of raising the power bar each saga lol).

In the beginning of Ep. 8 part of her problem can be she fears fighting at all because she doesn't want that dark voice back in her head urging her to kill. But once she has opportunity to take down Snoke her sense of justice/self-righteousness gets the better of her (her anger takes over). It can be set up where it might look like she wouldn't have been able to defeat Snoke otherwise (or be left as a question). Come Ep. 9 she hasn't *done* anything else. She hasn't slaughtered villages of people. She hasn't killed anyone. It's important to remember *she* never had a political vision of dominating the galaxy and I don't think she'll develop one just because she's on the dark side. Anyway, once she figures out how to turn herself back (some other drama will need to drive this in which she must overcome her central flaws), she will never fear the dark again. It can't possibly hold her (it's the ultimate defeat of the darkness).

One thing I like about this is that everyone assumes you are lost to the dark side forever... and history has shown this to be so (aside from the rare exception). But sometimes fearing something and thinking it so impossible to overcome, or believing it will doom your forever, makes it so. It may actually be easier for some Force users to switch sides. There may be a way to master your mind such that you can control the shifting tides of emotions and perspective, such that it doesn't have to become "and now I'm stuck on the dark side for the rest of my unnatural life."

There is room for this because the Force is likely complex and not simple. There are many paths in it probably, even though there are apparently very few disciplines regarding how to channel it.

ETA: it reminds me of in RotS when Anakin tells Obi-Wan he doesn't fear the dark side like Obi-Wan does. If Jedi fear the dark side, they then will lock themselves in it if they turn. *Fear* is the path to the dark side. Perhaps if you want to go back, you should stop being afraid.

 

I think it's pretty obvious Rey was tapping into the darkside while kicking Kylo's a**. The novelization confirmed Snoke was in her head, telling her to kill him. I think she might have killed him had the mountain not split in two. I think they will explore that Rey/Snoke dynamic more in VIII.

 

This scene in 8 please, though I don't want them to dismantle the relics. They should try to go get Rey her own crystal(s) and materials, if that's at all possible. The First Order probably occupies most known crystal caves, but perhaps there are reserves in the Temple or the Temple has charts of where there are untapped resources.

 

Leia sent Rey off only in the company of Chewbacca and R2. Her two companions waited at the Falcon when she ascended the Island peak. If there was any sense of danger then Chewie would have gone with her. Rey did not need any weapons yet she had the blaster Han gave her as well as her Staff and they were prominently on display. I'm hoping that this was what RJ asked to be added to that final scene - Rey with enough of a 'spares kit' on her to make her own dual-bladed lightsabre when she is abandoned. The kyber(s) will of course come from the temple.

 

Rey turning dark has another downside actually. It makes Luke look like the most incompetent Jedi master ever. At least Obi Wan only had ONE student go dark.

I just don't find "dark side" Rey to be a particularly interesting idea. And frankly, "the heroes need to go dark for awhile" is an overused cliché at this point. And I saw this on Pablo Hidalgo's twitter earlier:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/822122445490429952

And he's right. Using the Dark Side is supposed to be a REALLY big deal. And it's supposed to be REALLY hard to come back from. Vader had to willingly DIE in order to earn ANY measure of "redemption." Some people seem to be treating it like it's no big deal with all the "well she can do dark for awhile and then come back later" talk. It's not supposed to be that easy or trivial.

 

I'd love to see her making her own dual light saber. Just imaging a scene like that. I'll feel cheated if we don't get it.

Josh Gad posted this about an hour ago. It's just the trailers lined up but gotta love the caption.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BPfQPF6lyAL/

 

That's a heck of a cast to be sure.

 

also if Rey goes to the darkside, how many innocent people will she kill???
when you have KK talking about being proud that Rey is a compassionate character, something she also mentioned when talking about Luke. They also talked about having conflict between dark and light like the OT.

so Rey can be conflicted without ever turning.

 

That's the thing. You'd have to have her do enough dark/evil stuff in order to justify her going dark to begin with. Otherwise people will ask "well what was the point of that, it's not like she did anything all that bad anyway?" And if you do have her go further, you risk her losing the sympathy of at least some of the audience because, well she wasn't as strong or compassionate or honorable as we thought. So you've made it harder to route for your main hero, not smart imo.

 

i don't understand why she has to do something bad. she can't do something evil/irreversible because she wouldn't be the hero anymore. i just am interested in exploring the force more in the movies and building upon previous force concepts. i don't think my proposition diminishes how much of a pull the dark side has been, but the perspective one is coming from i think is incredibly relevant (some people trap themselves on the dark side, and of course once you have committed some atrocity it becomes very difficult to turn back because of the psychological damage that causes; the self-hatred). rey being able to turn herself back would be exceptional (it doesn't mean from then on every force user could do it); and as long as she hasn't committed any atrocities it will be easier to turn back.

i suppose it would be a challenge using her on the dark side if she just twiddles her thumbs the whole time and moans about being evil (that would be wasteful for the story) but one is only limited by their own imagination in this. i've always been interested in different ways one could operate on the dark side because we often see the same thing where the dark side users are involved in some scheme for controlling the galaxy. rey would probably be compelled to harshly enforce justice: she was actually *very* hard on finn when bb-8 told her he had poe's jacket. she didn't even know how he got it but was fairly ruthless all the same. so she would have to fight that tendency (on the dark side, perhaps finn deserves imprisonment or death for "stealing" poe's jacket lol). anyway you can be dark inside your mind *without acting on it*. that most dark side users we've seen have been so eager to spread death everywhere doesn't mean rey would have to immediately go to that. she's long lived as a loner, and i don't see why she'd have any interest in the first order (on the dark side she actually might just want to utterly destroy the first order, not join it--that she hates it and thinks it barbaric will not have changed).

i'm reminded of a TED talk i watched a long time ago about stress (whether i have remembered wrong, or later this was disproved doesn't change the meaning) referencing a study where they found that those who believed stress was damaging to their health were far more damaged by it than those who didn't believe that: making the claim that stress has become more dangerous after it became common knowledge that it is "bad" and "damaging." this is the kind of thing i was thinking with the dark side: the prevalent underlying conceptions one is operating from (often absorbed from common conceptual notions in society) have far more control over one's life and abilities than one might realize.

i would also find it interesting if defeating snoke is like a puzzle. maybe luke realized he couldn't defeat snoke without the dark side, and that's what he's trying to solve.

anyway i don't want the integrity of former beloved concepts wrt the force lost; just a way to build upon them without diluting what was before. i know that a think tank of writers could find a way to do this (ofc that doesn't mean everyone would like it). so i don't think it would ruin everything.

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unrelatedly i would hate to see luke channeling rey to build a lightsaber and would much rather she figure it out herself. everyone else has had to build their own lightsabers right? luke didn't have help.

 

Daisy will be at a screening for The Eagle Huntress with a Q+A after on Sunday.

http://www.showfilmfirst.com/pin/302779

It's sold out, unfortunately, but maybe we'll get some new pics and interviews.

 

Eeek!!!

Eeek!!!

Please more pics, please more pics, please more pics

 

Except the Dark Side isn't stress. It's supposed to corrupt and consume you, it's BAD!! None of this sounds like it'd justify turning Rey dark, it'd just be pointless. And it isn't needed, again having your hero "go dark for awhile" is an overused cliché these days. Also your REALLY exaggerating her reaction to the Finn thing honestly.

Rey turning dark at all would be disappointing, and pointless if you're got going to have her do something really dark anyway. Just let the hero BE THE HERO!!

 

well, admittedly one of my reasons for this is that it could flip kylo ren back. and i think falling and saving oneself (to aid the entire galaxy) is pretty heroic personally, especially if one maintained the self-control in the interim to not do something devastating. and the whole saga needs an answer to this whole dark/light problem plaguing the galaxy (the jedi were all too scared of the dark to try--at least come the PT). new ways in the force need to be found. the force as a concept needs to advance and complexify to generate something new that is an evolution of the sorts of stories of before rather than a repeat of them. or drawing from mythology the buddha passed through hell realms as well as earthly and heavenly ones. he was not afraid of the dark either.

 

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http://makingstarwars.net/2017/01/hallmark-ornament-reveals-reys-outfit-from-star-wars-episode-viii/

 

How far the mighty have fallen.