PT "At last, the Jedi are no more"

So, why is Sidious telling this?
He did not knew Obi Wan is alive?
He is thinking that he will kill very fast Master Yoda?
I think there were also other Jedis , that were not yet dead.
So,is Sidious so insensitive ,to not sense the remaining Jedis?
I guess sensing the other Jedis and Siths was a special ability that did not had too much in common
in how strong you were with the Force,from a battle point of view.

 

I think he was referring to the Jedi, as in the Jedi Order. Which, in truth, it wasn't. All but a handful of Jedi were left, and most of those that survived would end up being hunted down eventually. The Jedi, for all intents and purposes, were extinct.

 

Remember, the Clonetroopers were at the Jedi Temple waiting to ambush any Jedi who showed up because the emergency recall beacon had gone off. Obi-wan and Yoda realize that whoever else is still alive, they would be walking into a trap. So they stop off at the Temple and after fighting their way in, re-calibrate the beacon and Obi-wan hid a message to all the stragglers to run and hide. Yoda states that it'll take a while for the Empire to figure out what they've done. Palpatine doesn't know this, nor that Obi-wan is still alive. But when he says this, he is referring to the Jedi Order being destroyed and whoever is left will soon be terminated.

After the duel on Mustafar, Vader and the Stormtroopers begin hunting down the remaining Jedi after learning of Obi-wan's message. Vader soon enlists Force sensitives and fallen Jedi to be his Inquisitors, in order to aide in their efforts. By the time of "Spark Of Rebellion", the Empire believes that all of the Jedi are destroyed, though Vader believes that Obi-wan might still be alive. The Grand Inquisitor is ordered to find and terminate or corrupt Force sensitive children that are discovered. When Vader learns that Ahoska is alive, he believes that she can lead him to any surviving Jedi including Obi-wan.

 

I think that Sidious said that simply he was waiting too arrogant and overconfident in his plan. Two things that lead to his eventual downfall in ROTJ.

Either that or he was starting to become senile.

 

Considering the fact that he is saying this to a Jedi, he doesn't mean it literally. It is of course him arrogantly predicting the future. After all, everything has gone as he has foreseen. No Sith has ever made it to this stage in the plan, so why not in the final act speak as if the deed is fully done.

 

Well his visions can be wrong. I doubt he ever foresaw a future, where Vader chucked him down a nuclear reactor shaft.

 

He was basically saying the Jedi were no longer the top dogs of the universe. They were either dead or scattered and running for their lives.

 

Yes , but when Master Yoda enters in the Senate hall, Darth Sidious is saying, very surprised:
"Master Yoda! Your survived!".
After master Yoda tells:
"Surprised?".
And Sidious replies:
"Your arrogance blinds you, Master Yoda!"
"Now, you will experience the full power of the dark side!".
And does a strong Force lightning against Master Yoda , which kicks down Master Yoda,unconscious.
Than, Sidious tells:
"I have waited long time for this moment,my little green friend!".
"At last ,the Jedi are no more!".
So, we can not know that Darth Sidious knows that Obi Wan is alive.
We also can suppose that Darth Sidious is just preparing to shoot the fatal Force lightning on Master Yoda.

 

You're overthinking it. The Jedi Order is gone, but there are still Jedi Knights out there. Obi-wan even says so in his message to the surviving Jedi.

OBI-WAN: "This is Master Obi-Wan Kenobi. I regret to report that both our Jedi Order and the Republic have fallen, with the dark shadow of the Empire rising to take their place. This message is a warning and a reminder for any surviving Jedi: Trust in the Force. Do not return to the Temple. That time has passed, and our future is uncertain. We will each be challenged our trust, our faith, our friendships. But we must persevere, and in time, a new hope will emerge. May the Force be with you always."

 

When Sidious says this, he doesn't necessarily mean literally every single Jedi is gone; he knows Yoda escaped, he learns quickly Obi Wan is alive, and knows there's quite a few Jedi in the Outer Rim and surrounding areas that escaped Order 66.

Sidious says this regarding the Jedi Order, what they stand for and their large involvement and power within the galaxy. The few Jedi who have survived are spread out, alone and mostly in hiding. You know that saying "together we stand, alone we fall" (or something along that line?) it's that mind set. They are weak and won't be able to fully regroup without being found and killed. Obi Wan and Yoda, the two most powerful Jedi who survived both went into hiding knowing it wasn't the time to strike back yet. Sidious is saying finally the Jedi aren't in his way, they're in hiding like the Sith once were.

 

i believed palpatine when he said the sith and jedi are similar in almost every way including wanting power. i think he thought that of the jedi. this is some huge competition for control of the galaxy for him and though he is a bit prematurely claiming victory, after sending anakin to the jedi temple and sending out the kill orders, he has toppled the power of the jedi that reigned for the past thousand years. he's finally defeated them. this is the revenge maul was alluding to in tpm. the sith have gained back control.

 

Yup.

 

I think Lucas put again a phrase that can be interpreted in multiple ways, as lots of scenes and phrases of Revenge of the Sith are.
Maybe Sidious feels through the Force the duel between Obi Wan and Darth Vader and that Darth Vader is stronger and thinks Obi Wan will be killed by Darth Vader.
Maybe he also thinks he will kill fast Master Yoda and he will hunt down the remaining Jedi.
After he does a strong Force lightning on Master Yoda,but Master Yoda does not dies , Sidious tries to run.
Master Yoda stay in the path of Darth Sidious and Darth Sidious tells to Master Yoda:
"You will not stop me! Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!".
So we can think that Darth Sidious sees that he will not be able to defeat Master Yoda with ease, but still believes Darth Vader will kill Obi Wan.
And Darth Vader will be strong enough to eliminate Master Yoda,after,also.

 

I've always wondered why Obi-Wan never mentions the Emperor's true identity in that message.

"Oh by the way, the Chancellor was secretly a Sith Lord and orchestrated the entire Clone Wars. The Sith are the true rulers of the Empire."

Couldn't hurt to throw in that extra line as an FYI to any survivors.

 

I don't think it mattered much at that point, even if others knew, they couldn't do much with that information.

 

Well I think he made an excellent observation, that raises a lot of question marks about Obi Wan.
In Classical Trilogy/Original Trilogy is not known who the Emperor is.
Darth Vader appears in Original Trilogy,but no one knows about the Emperor.
So, yes, why is not Obi Wan mentioning that Palpatine and Darth Sidious are the same person?
Except for the senators, which are not so many,only few people knew the truth.
We also see Count Dooku telling to Obi Wan that the Dark Lord of the Sith is controlling the Senate.
Obi Wan is the first who is hearing the name of Darth Sidious, from Count Dooku.
Why Obi Wan never mentions what he hears from Obi Wan to Jedi Council?

So maybe when Darth Sidious tells "at least, the Jedi are no more" he knows some things we do not know, about Obi Wan.
So, Obi Wan is training Luke and Luke is also very close to choose the dark side of the Force.
Obi Wan is training Anakin and Anakin is choosing the dark side of the Force,for a significant part of his life.

The training of Luke from OT brings Luke very close to join the Dark Side of the Force.
Something is not fitting correctly in the big picture.

 

When he said, "the Jedi are no more", I think Palpatine meant that they were no longer a threat, even if not every one was dead. To him, the Jedi only stand a chance against him if they are united, and that's actually not wrong. Scattered, its hard for a single Jedi to bring down the empire.

 

Hard, but not impossible.

 

Agreed. However, a single Jedi can technically bring down the Empire as Luke blew up the Death Star, and redeemed his father to have Anakin the Jedi return who then tossed the Emporer down the DS II's shaft.

I think that's what SW is supposed to convey, a single person can make a difference. This topic alone is another line to show Palpataine's ultimate arrogance. He was technically right by thinking that the majority of the Jedi being wiped out and the survivors being scattered and isolated pretty much ensured his safety, he just forgot about the most powerful Jedi that was dormant beside him for 20+ years.

 

Which is precisely the reason why being the last Jedi is not an hopeless position. It is perhaps the most powerful status you can have.

 

As far as the films are concerned, Yoda and Obi are the last of the Jedi. Even if a few others did survive, the order is pretty much dead. I always thought Obi changing the message was wishful thinking on his part.

 

Sheev was just trash talking.

 

Yet the Empire thought it prudent to even activate it in the first place and leave a detachment inside and outside the Temple. Neither side knows for certain if everyone was killed. That's why the Temple beacon was important.

 

Like some other people on here have said, I believe he was just referring to the fact that the Jedi were facing their downfall. He wasn't thinking about individual Jedi perhaps surviving. This "era of Jedi," so to speak, was dead.