ST The Rey Parentage Thread (with new poll; see notes on page 2447)

I think the Skywalker Saga argument is about this present ST and how Rey being the lead character (not Kylo) means she has to be a Skywalker.

Unless, if we have to be open to all possibilities, Kylo had a kid at the age of 10, and this kid comes up in TLJ to become the main character of the trilogy..

 

TFA is primarily driven by Skywalker family drama.

The search for Luke Skywalker, spearheaded by his twin sister Leia, in opposition of the evil Forces being lead by her son Ben.

Rey gets caught up in the overall pre-existing Skywalker drama.

TFA is firmly entrenched in the Skywalker Saga. In fact, the Skywalker family drama is far more front and center in episode 7 than a few of the other ones.

Lucasfilm already proved what you people say is impossible: They can have the Skywalker saga without a Skywalker protagonist.

As of today that is exactly what The Force Awakens is.

The danger to your argument lies in the very existence, and resounding success of, TFA.

 

Has long has Luke known the Jedi must end? 5 years? 10 years? Oh, say 19 years ago? In time to start a family? [Wink, wink. Stirs the pot and ducks.]

 

But I suppose the problem is that this isn't really a negotiation where the fans get to choose an outcome - something that most factions would consider a suitable compromise. I doubt we're getting any kind of a compromise here. We're simply getting the story they've meant to tell all along, and if they're trying to make this a story for the ages, they'll have to go big or go home, whatever the direction they've chosen. That means no half-hearted compromises.

I mean, a lot of the time these discussions sound like a negotiation. "I've suggested X, but nobody has responded with a sufficient counter-offer, and so far nobody has been able to provide a convincing argument how Y would be satisfactory..." I've said it before, but it isn't the fans' job to defend any particular story direction. It's the filmmakers' job to tell a great story that perhaps takes everybody by surprise, even those who expected to remain unconvinced. The fans' job is just to keep guessing what the direction might be.

 

As of today..??

 

If Kylo is the only Skywalker besides Luke and Leia....and in my opinion the signs in TFA indicate that he is....then my bet is he will reproduce. I find it hard to believe that LF will let the Skywalkers go extinct.

 

To the bolded: of course not. But there's often a tendency to put the onus on fellow fans to offer detailed explanations how certain story directions could possibly be 100% satifsying, which seems unreasonable when none of us has any idea what the actual plot is going to be.

As for the second point, the most memorable stories tend to have something bold about them. Bold doesn't automatically equal controversial.

 

I agree. Likewise, I don't see anything wrong with disagreeing with or even feeling disgusted by an idea that, if read in the headlines of a newspaper, would feel extremely disturbing.

 

Fast forward four years, and let's imagine that Rey's familial connection to the rest of the saga is midblowingly good.

Then imagine that a book analysing those family dynamics was released, and was an exhaustive, researched look at every aspect of it.
Imagine that book ran to 1796 pages.
Would it be worth reading?
And yet, I bet there's at least twenty people at a very conservative estimate who have read every page of this thread.
And there's literally nothing of substance in the thread aside from "I wonder who Rey is related to?"

 

There is still good. Leia is still good, still on the job, and still had hope for her son. As far as we know, Luke isn't dark. TFA presents Skywalkers in light and dark, as usual.

Yes, responses to any suggestion that Kylo has or will have a child is met with fierce opposition.

Often from the same set of people who claim Rey must be a Skywalker in order to continue the Skywalker bloodline.

 

Maybe because if Kylo doesn't have offspring, the odds of Rey being a Skywalker increase. Though there are many disagreements among us, most probably believe LF will want new Skywalkers for the next trilogy.

 

The problem is a child of Kylo would be a concurrent event unlike Vader for whom it was the past. Sure Luke was the current hero, but he was already grown and launched the saga. I don't see any secret family of Kylo popping up before this trilogy ends and the whole concept would be contingent on a future set of movies that aren't even conceived yet and may never be. So if Rey is not a Skywaljer and Kylo dies then we end this trilogy without a foreseen likelihood of a Skywalker heir (which is fine if that's the intention.) And that is as of today.

 

If Rey is not a Skywalker, Kylo won't die without reproducing. I'm fairly certain of that. Whether it will be a past event or future event I'm less sure of.

 

And that may be true. However I do not see such an event impacting this set of films. Maybe in the future a son of kylo can marry a daughter of Rey if they are unrelated. But that's projecting what if's. Right now we can only work with what we have which, for this thread, is a mystreious girl who is somehow tied to the Skywalker family.

 

Well in twenty to thirty years from now we'll be debating if the new characters are related to Rey and/or Kylo. The speculation never ends!

 

Leia or Luke can adopt 40 kids and give the Skywalker surname to them. the end

 

Oh I think it's more likely to be a future event, something that may be set in motion during this trilogy and occur either in the next trilogy or between trilogies depending on whether this current cast will be in the next trilogy. My guess is that's more likely than a retroactive event where Kylo is found to have had a child in the past, though that's also possible.

 

Disney has already assured their shareholders that Star Wars films are to be released regularly into perpetuity.

Of course they're going to end this trilogy with seeds for further episodes.

 

I don't know. I've read some good theory-crafting here as to the reasons and themes for certain reveals. And when the truth is confirmed, well considered arguments would presumably read even better. There's not 1796 pages worth of this, admittedly. But I think there might be a few pages of substance.

 

But it's saving our friends and family from smothering us with an oven mitt as we go to explain our justifications for Theory X for the 50th time.

 

IMO, That doesn't mean the overall Saga won't end, now that the Anthologies are successful. There are only so many times you can plow this ground(galactic-wide wars with light/dark flipping positions every trilogy with the Skywalker family at the core). At some point, like any good Saga, it has to end in order to give the overall story meaning. There is plenty of ground to plow within the Star Wars Universe itself, and no reason that you can't have Anthologies that deal with the changes that The Saga imparted upon the SW Universe, particularly in order to bring Daisy Ridley back. Ending the story didn't hurt Harry Potter, and now they have a new franchise outside the main story.

I just really don't see there ever being an Episode 13. They obviously won't close that door until it comes time, but I just don't see it happening.

 

There's a great argument still that they should've stopped with VI and just started up a new saga with Star Wars Knights: Episode I or whatever set 5000 years in the future or in the past.