ST Andy Serkis (Supreme Leader Snoke) in the ST

IKR, Plagueis theorists always just state their theory, then everyone else is like "OMFG YOU ARE SO STOOPID ITS ALREADY DEBUNKED PLEASE LEAVE NO ONE WANTS IT TO BE PLAGUEIS"

 

MotherNature's SilverSeed Thrawn isn't a villain at all in this book. The only way you could call him a villain is that he's working for the Empire. But he's a lovely character. Very caring, very honorable, smart, etc.

 

Or he's been in a stasis for a very long time. (reference Darth Krayt and\or Voldemort)

 

As a Plagueis shipper I always feel like:

 

*votes yes for acid rain planet*

 

If Rey's related then Snoke must know of Rey's existence prior to her appearance in TFA. Considering his relationship with Kylo Ren it seems likely Snoke was directly or indirectly involved in Rey's disappearance. The question is does Kylo Ren know this? I'm guessing he doesn't.

 

Doesn't have to necessarily.

 

Or it just tells us that they know his name since he has come out and that their son is working under him.....

 

True but if Rey's a Solo I don't know how he wouldn't know about Rey. If Rey's a Skywalker that's when things get tricky. If Luke himself didn't know his baby mama was pregnant when she left him then it makes sense that Snoke wouldn't know about Rey either. But if Luke had a family it seems like Snoke would know about that. Snoke was in touch with Ben Solo in and around the time that Ben was sent to Luke. It seems like Ben having a cousin would naturally come up in his conversations with Snoke. Snoke knows or knows of Han and Leia. Snoke obviously knows Ben/Kylo. Ben was sent to Luke when Snoke was trying to turn him. Ben stayed in touch with Snoke in and around the time he was with Luke. How could it not get back to Snoke that Luke has a family?

Seems like if Luke doesn't know Rey exists then Snoke wouldn't know. Unless Snoke had somebody spying on Luke and his girlfriend and even after they broke up Snoke's spy continued to keep an eye on Luke's ex, where in which the spy learned that she was pregnant. This is all getting too convoluted though. How would they explain all that to the characters and the audience? To recap they'd need to show/tell us that Luke had a girlfriend and they were being spied on by Snoke or his people. Luke and his lady split. Snoke keeps spying on Luke's ex. The ex has the baby and for some reason Snoke doesn't try to kill or kidnap baby Rey. Instead he waits five to eight years and then orders his men to kill Rey but his goons either can't bring themselves to kill Rey or they decide they can make some money by selling Rey into slavery and hope their boss never discovers what they did. Either that or Snoke's original plan was to kidnap Rey and keep her alive on Jakku for unknown reasons but again he decides not to kidnap Rey until she's around five or eight years. Meanwhile he doesn't tell Kylo about any of this.

Not sure how they could convey all of that even over two movies.

And like I said, why would Snoke sit around for years before kidnapping Rey? Maybe it was all part of a long convoluted plan to turn Ben to the dark side? Snoke thought kidnapping Rey would hurt Ben and Snoke could exploit that pain to turn him to the dark side?

 

I'd actually be satisfied if she were a Solo.

Could be that Ben spared her during the Academy purge and then hid her and Snoke was never informed of this. Seems though if this were the case then Snoke would more angry Kylo.

 

I thought that for a while but it's been determined that the purge happened years after Rey was seen on Jakku in the Forceback.

 

Don't we already know that this is not the case?

 

Let's try to hammer this out again.

1) If Rey is a Solo then Snoke definitely knows of her existence prior to TFA and he was most likely involved with her disappearance presumably to help turn Ben to the dark side and destroy the Solo/Skywalker family.
2) If Rey is Luke's daughter then Snoke knows about Rey prior to TFA considering how he knows all the other Skywalker/Solo's and was actively involved in destroying the family.
3) If Rey is Luke's and Luke doesn't know Rey exists until TLJ then Snoke can't know she existed prior to TLJ unless one of his spies was spying on Luke's baby mama.

But if the whole point of Snoke making Rey disappear is to help turn Ben and/or hurt the Skywalker/Solo family then the spying on the baby mama theory doesn't work. Obviously if nobody but the baby mama knows that Rey exists than Rey disappearing isn't going to affect Ben, Luke, Leia and Han. So if the spying on the baby theory is out then that means there was no way for Snoke to know about Rey while Luke did NOT no about Rey. Put another way if Luke knows about Rey then Snoke must know about Rey. If Luke doesn't know about Rey then Snoke can't know about Rey. This is all still predicated on Rey being related of course.

Any way you cut it we know Snoke wanted to turn Ben and/or destroy Luke. If Rey is related it seems like too much of a coincidence that Snoke, a guy who wanted to turn Ben and destroy Luke wouldn't be involved with Rey disappearing. I can't imagine Snoke being all, "Man! What luck! I've wanted to turn Ben Solo to the dark side and destroy Luke Skywalker and just by coincidence Rey disappeared and now the whole family is vulnerable! I just fell bass ackwards into taking down the most powerful family in the galaxy!"

So that's it. Snoke not only knew about Rey prior to TFA but he used her disappearance to turn Ben and hurt the Solo/Skywalker family. Kylo will likely discover this at some point which will make things interesting between Kylo and Snoke.

 

Maybe Ben turned to protect Rey?

 

But if that were true Snoke's actions still led Rey to disappear which led her family to think she was dead. Now if the deal was that Snoke would completely leave Rey alone then that would make more sense.

 

If Rey's Force sensitivity didn't happen until the events of TFA as we are lead to believe ("There's been an awakening.") then it is possible Snoke never knew she even existed.

 

But Snoke was in touch with Ben when Ben went to train with Luke. Ben would no doubt mention Rey at some point to Snoke. The Force wouldn't have any role in Snoke knowing about young Rey. Ben would just tell him about Rey. If Snoke knows about Leia, Han and Luke and he has a relationship with Ben wouldn't Snoke know about Rey, other member of the Skywalker/Solo family. It wouldn't make sense for Snoke not to know about her.

 

If she had no FS-ity at a young age then she would be meaningless to Snoke.

Snoke is all about wealth and power. A non FS or commoner would be beneath him.

 

I don't think Rey's Force powers have anything to do with it. I think Snoke's plan was to use Rey's disappearance to make Ben Solo emotionally weak and vulnerable so that he'd be susceptible to being turned to the dark side. My theory is that Snoke saw that young Ben was already feeling emotionally unstable for one reason or another but Snoke was looking for a traumatic event that would really push Ben over the edge emotionally which would then allow Snoke to turn Ben to the dark side. Rey disappearing was that event.

Side note: I've wondered why Snoke would wait until Rey was eight years old before he had her kidnapped and the conclusion I've come to is that it has less to do with Rey and her age and more to with Ben Solo and where he was at emotionally. Snoke was waiting for the right time to push Ben over the emotional edge. For one reason or another that opportunity didn't present itself to Snoke until Ben was a teenager which would've put Rey at the age she was in the Forceback.

I did it again! I solved the mystery!!!

 

Ben was off training with Luke in Bloodline (6 years prior to TFA); is there any evidence that Snoke was even a known entity at that time?

You also mentioned above that..."Ben was sent to Luke when Snoke was trying to turn him. Ben stayed in touch with Snoke in and around the time he was with Luke. How could it not get back to Snoke that Luke has a family?"

Ben was sent to train with Luke when Snoke was trying to turn him? And Ben stayed in touch with Snoke while with Luke?

This is news to me. I like news, though, so if it's accurate I dig it, I have just never read that info officially anywhere as of yet.

 

in my "headcanon" snoke can reach ben across great distances through the force. this could very well turn out not to be so, but it seems like the easiest explanation to me. it eliminates any issues with how ben and snoke can be in the same place at the same time, and it allows for a life-long connection between them, so that snoke will "always be there."

 

Did this guy become Snoke or is Marvel trolling?

 

Ben was off training with Luke in Bloodline (6 years prior to TFA); is there any evidence that Snoke was even a known entity at that time?
During Leia and Han's conversation in TFA it's revealed that Leia sent Ben to Luke to train and one of them (Han or Leia) brings it up in the context of them knowing that Snoke was influencing Ben.

Ben was sent to train with Luke when Snoke was trying to turn him? And Ben stayed in touch with Snoke while with Luke? This is news to me.
Granted that's my assumption but we know that Snoke was influencing Ben before he went to Luke and we know that Ben turned to the dark side and destroyed Luke's school and now Ben/Kylo is working with Snoke. Seems like a logical assumption that Ben stayed in touch with Snoke while he was training with Luke considering that Ben fell to the dark side. I don't think that Ben would've fallen to the dark side during his time with Luke if Snoke wasn't still around.

What's more likely? A) Snoke influences Ben. Ben gets sent away to Luke and loses all communication with Snoke and Ben still turns to the dark side and joins forces with Snoke later or B) Snoke is still in touch with Ben while Ben's training with Luke, Snoke keeps influencing Ben, Ben grows stronger with the Force under Luke's tutelage but also continues to listen to Snoke, then eventually Snoke convinces Ben to wipe out the Jedi students?

Anywho even if Rey is long gone by the time Ben goes to Luke for training if Rey's related it only makes logical sense that Ben would at least casually mention her when talking to Snoke. People I interact with in real life on a day to day basis know that I have a sister from the casual conversations we've had. Why wouldn't that happen with Ben and Snoke in regards to Rey?

If Rey's related Snoke has to be responsible for her disappearance. Two kids in the same family, one goes missing, the other turns evil? Those two things have got to be connected.

 

Rey was as well with Luke and Ben and is Snokes daughter
Snoke was influencing Ben via Rey (the little child)
Ben turned and brought Rey to Jakku before moving to Snoke to get rid of a rival he never could have outperformed
Arriving at Snoke he told Snoke that his daughter did not make it (or was killed by Luke)

End of the story

 

Hilarious.

I think I'm really onto something though. I kinda thought more people would be weighing in. Oh well.

Seems to me that Snoke being directly or indirectly responsible for Rey's disappearance would be a fairly elegant way to explain how she ended up on Jakku and how he turned Ben Solo to the dark side.