Lit Has there been an explanation yet for Kylo Ren's "Force Freeze"?

I remember when I first saw TFA and Kylo Ren performed the "Force-Freeze" at the beginning of the film. It was a level of surprise and awe comparable to when I first saw ROTJ and Palpatine's Force Lightning.

But upon rewatching TFA again, I had like subconsciously forgotten it and was taken by surprise again. It seems like a pretty big development in how people can use the Force. He could not only "freeze" people, but also energy from blasters.

Has there been any explanation, or exploration, of this since TFA came out?

 

Luke, Kylo, Snoke, and the Knights of Ren were kept a big mystery.

Why?

Because it turns out no one had any idea what they could do or why.

 

It's probably just an advanced form of telekinesis, just holding an object in place rather than moving it.

 

It's not exactly a mystery.

Kylo's telekinetic abilities are just very strong and extremely refined. To the point he can grasp people in the Force so tightly and firmly that they can't move. At all.

He just uses that ability to grasp blaster bolts as well. It takes serious strength in the Force and split-second reflexes and concentration. But we've seen Sith and Jedi manipulate energy with the Force before.

Never in the way Kylo does, but it's not too radical of a change.


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Vader could absorb and dissipate energy so this is a more advanced form.

 

It's not exactly a mystery.

Kylo's telekinetic abilities are just very strong and extremely refined. To the point he can grasp people in the Force so tightly and firmly that they can't move. At all.

He just uses that ability to grasp blaster bolts as well. It takes serious strength in the Force and split-second reflexes and concentration. But we've seen Sith and Jedi manipulate energy with the Force before.

Never in the way Kylo does, but it's not too radical of a change.

Aside from the lack of physical contact, how is this



That much different from this



Or this



Just gripping energy bolts instead of senate pods.

 

Yeah, Kylo's actually a low-key beast. I've seen people mock him ever since TFA came out for being weak, but he's honestly one of the most powerful Force-users we've seen in the movies. In addition to his telekinetic abilities listed above (completely freezing people and a blaster bolt), he also has incredible senses. (He knows something's up with FN-2187 instantly and then immediately pegs him as the traitor when Hux says "It's a stormtrooper." He also senses as soon as Han arrives on Starkiller.) He also manages to survive a bowcaster bolt to the gut (which sent everyone else it even vaguely touched flying through the air). Not only does he survive it, but he partakes in two lightsaber duels immediately thereafter, while still bleeding, and wins one of them.

 

Eh, while I point out Kylo doesn't want to kill Rey, beating a guy with no lightsaber training and who got beat by another stormtrooper is no great shakes.

 

Yeah Kylo's toying with Finn for the entirety of that very brief duel. As soon as Finn gets in that one lucky strike, Kylo disarms him easily and one-shots him.

 

While I get what you're saying, Finn did have training with melee weapons, so he was no slouch, and he adjusted to lightsaber-style combat very quickly (his technique against Kylo is better than it was against Nines). And he got a blow in on Kylo–after he'd already had Kylo's blade driven into his shoulder. And Kylo beat him, again, while quite literally bleeding his guts out. Sure, he has the Force on his side, but based on sheer physical stature and ability, although Finn didn't have the training, he was strong, fit, and uninjured, while Kylo was badly injured and emotionally unstable from just killing his father. So Kylo winning, while maybe not as impressive as if he'd beaten a more experienced duelist, still isn't anything to sniff at. And Rey only beat him because she let the Force guide her; Kylo was winning most of that fight, too.

 

Also, how many proper lightsaber fights has Kylo ever been in? Would Luke ever have actually trained his students to make or fight with lightsabers? Why did Kylo have to build his own crappy beater of a lightsaber?

I would be delighted to find out that Luke did about as much lightsaber combat training with his students as Yoda did with him, i.e. precisely none.

 

The lightsaber forms are canon due to Luceno bringing them back into it.

So, does the fact Kylo Ren uses his lightsaber like a broadsword mean that he's a user (master?) of Form I?

Which is kind of appropriate as it's the inherently lame form.

 

The broadsword fighting style is cool.

The endless rabbit hole of lightsaber forms is not.

 

I'd say he's a multi-style duelist, like Vader was. But Kylo's preference has to be Djem So. All those overhand strikes and power blows are trademark Darth Vader.

 

I like the seven lightsaber forms. I just wish they'd keep them at a certain level with some better than others.

Kit Fisto using Form I and being it's "master" doesn't make him awesome.

 

Using telekinesis on blaster shots is nothing new. About 'Force Freeze'; It's probably just Force Grip applied to the entire body. Such an advanced application of Grip likely requires a ton of concentration, hence Kylo never uses it in his final duel. Also it doesn't completely freeze as Rey is able to move her eyes.

 

I'm probably among the few who thinks Kylo Ren is a Dark Jedi wrecking ball and would tear through just about anyone but his grandfather, Obi-wan, Yoda, Mace, or his uncle.

 

I agree, Kylo does seem to be have a lot of potential to unleash considering how impressive the Force Freeze and his mind reading abilities are. He's literally ripping information out of people's heads by himself. A comparison I can think of his The Emperor reading Luke's mind, Vader reading Luke's mind (although Luke's thoughts dwelling on Leia at the time). And the entire Jedi council basically had to extract information from Cad Bane. Kylo does this pretty easily.

The only proper Force user duel we've seen him engage in was with Rey and, as mentioned above numerous times, the circumstances for that one were "unique".

 

My inclination is Kylo Ren is about as powerful as Anakin Skywalker in AOTC but his training is really-really uneven. Some really really advanced stuff and some really amateurish stuff. His lightsaber is a hack job and he's actually probably not that good at lightsaber combat but he's a master of the stuff Snoke teaches him when he's not running the First Order.

I'm inclined to think Luke hadn't really been all about giving Ben Solo an unlimited guidebook to dominating one's opponent with the Force.

Anakin would destroy Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel but Kylo could probably throw a hilltop at him telekinetically.

 

Kylo's tk stat is so high, whenever he rolls for Force Stasis it's 20 +.

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Even more impressive, I just realized, is that he freezes the blaster bolt and Poe at the same time. He then holds a conversation with Poe and gives Phasma and some stormtroopers some orders–very casually–and even senses FN-2187's hesitation, all before turning away and finally releasing the blaster bolt.

 

Yeah, that's the part that I find unbelievable. It didn't seem like he was actively holding it in place... that he just ordered it to freeze, it froze, and he eventually came back to it later. Not that it was something he had to focus on, like if someone distracted him it would break his concentration. So it's either extremely talented telekinesis, or something else.

 

I think he's just super talented with telekinesis. He was also very casually interrogating Rey on Takodana while holding her in place. He didn't seem to have to focus on it too much. He's just very good at it. Remember when Luke was training on Dagobah in ESB and started lifting Artoo seemingly without even meaning to? I think Kylo's just in that sort of concentrated state. He's not even thinking about it. He's just doing it.

 

I think Kylo is a wrecking ball, and that's why he's genuinely shocked and terrified that Rey is not only super powerful but a very quick study. He underestimates her, so he's not careful.

 

Even Snoke is shocked by it.

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