Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Interesting, if I would have guessed what the new number would be, I'd probably go with the same diameter ratio between the old numbers, or 160/212. 200km is a nice round number though. Too bad there is not an ICS for the new Battlefront 2 game, it would be a nice place to get some updated information on the DS2 among other things.

 

A couple of dumb kids in Iron Squadron thought Gozantis and Arquitens were star destroyers and they were quickly corrected. And Quasar Fires and Class 4 Container Transports are still not regarded as such.

 

Well, that's the defunct model in new-canon, so, even in-universe they liked it better.

 

Thought this might be interesting and spark this conversation again: what do the GR-75's do in battle?

 

Yeah so in canon the Immobilizer 418 interdictor cruiser is obsolete like it was in legends, but instead of replacing it with a much larger and powerful Interdictor Star Destroyer, canon Imperials replace it with a ship that looks like the legends 418 interdictor cruiser and just call it an Interdictor class Star Destroyer instead. So now they need to design a new ship to call the Immobilizer 418 that was in the Tarkin novel? No this is clearly a case of misidentification between the two ships, this isn't the first time its happened.

 

That makes no sense, they can just make it look the same, but much smaller. Like they did with the Providence and Recusant in the tv show vs. ROTS. Or the various tri-droids.

 

The new Interdictor is at least as large as a Venator class star destroyer though.

Also vncredleader, GR75s were recently confirmed as packing laser cannons, so they aren't all unarmed sitting ducks.

 

Now I see the problem, I hadn't realized how massive the Rebels TV series made their Interdictor ship. The bridge is the same length as an Arquitens cruiser?? That's screwed up. Reminds me of that cut scene in the Tie Fighter video game, with the tiny Super Star Destroyer, with a bridge for micro people.

 

There's a 10 minute video of Battlefront 2 single player Campaign out, and it's pretty cool. In it they actually call the Mon Cal cruiser an MC-80 which is cool, and there is some great views of the Destruction and debirs over Endor. I can confirm 3 MC-80's moving around the debris fields with 1 dueling it with out with an SD, it appears to loose this fight burning in many places, can't confirm it's destruction though. Also gives a good view of numerous destroyed and crippled SD's in many places. I like that it shows that the Battlefield over Endor continued to be active even as our Hero's celebrated on the forest Moon itself. Also we can now see that there is up to 2 possibly more Sd's at the Fondor Shipyards (not including the one that is docked).

 

I know, but their usage is still in question despite having some point defense cannons. They are still not effective fighter deterrents with their size. I still support kamikazeruns for them

 

dp

 

Three items not discussed in his video are:

-Repair/salvage/tow vessels for damaged capital ships.
-Rescue ships for ejected starfighter pilots.
-Ground force landers - you could argue that at both Endor and Scarif that additional ground forces may have been brought in system as some sort of contingency, but there wasn't an clear need to deploy them when the Alliance fleet arrived in system.

 

That's always been my thought. Now it's questionable why you would have em up front if they are there for landing but hey you need every shot you can get and keeping em in the back might end up resulting in them being singled ut and cut off. No answer is perfect, but we just have to assume that for each situation they are there to serve one or more of many possible roles. Capital ship repair is also a good call

 

Aren't the roles of the GR-75 described in the upcoming Rebel Files book, though?

 

In the Legendsverse, the underside of the Immobilizer had the same geometry as that of a Star Destroyer (excepting the gravity domes).

But the Rebels Interdictor Star Destroyer has a somewhat different underside - mostly flat, but with a steeply slanted section behind the engine.

Immobilizer:

Interdictor Star Destroyer

The top surface of the Immobilizer is also different - no light-up centreline ridge:

So they could, if they show the Immobilizer, make the canon Immobilizer the same in looks as its Legends counterpart - and so, visually distinct from the Interdictor and not just a smaller version.

 

I just don't understand why they made it so large, it didn't need to be, it wouldn't have effected the episode at all if they had smaller ships than cruisers collide with it. Maybe they didn't know how big those Arquitens cruisers are? It just looks silly because you can kind of even see the bridge windows on the cg model, they must be giants on that ship, or the cruisers are half sized micro versions. I think its the later actually because the rebels corvette looks longer than the cruisers when they are just about to hit the interdictor.

 

Presumably, it was due to the fact that in the very first Interdictor Star Destroyer episode, Stealth Strike in Season 2, it has a hangar bay the same size as that of a Star Destroyer, and captures a Corvette and stores it there - and the mission involves escaping in the corvette.

Wookieepedia currently pegs the Arquitens (Rebels era version) as 325m long:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Arquitens-class_command_cruiser

and the above images of the Rebels Interdictor appear to show a bridge quite a bit wider than the hangar bay is long.

Stealth Strike image of Arquitens colliding with bridge:

 

It so stupid that a dumb cartoon episode like this can change so much. So now we have an Interdictor class star destroyer crewed by giants, great.

Do Interdictors in canon now disable ships from maneuvering in normal space?? How do they explain that one?

 

(accidental double post instead of edit)

 

Basically, the gravity wells are more like super-powerful tractor beams, than regular gravity.

This is what the 5-window bridge looks like from the inside:

This is what it looks like from the outside:

And this is what a regular Rebels Star Destroyer bridge (5 windows in the middle, more on either side) looks like:

Are the windows on the Interdictor Star Destroyer, compared to those on the Rebels Imperial Star Destroyer (which has same-size belly hangar) really so big as to suggest giant crew?

 

Now that I think of it, there are surprisingly few consoles in the crew pits. Surely there should be more than in a regular ISD?

 

Maybe, as a newer design, it has more advanced crew pits with more automation?

 

Going by the dude at the window, there are roughly 6 of his height from end window to end window. Let's give him 1.8m height. 1.8 x 6 = 10.8 metres. On the outside I count roughly 11 more window to window lengths to the near side edge of the flat tower structure, it isn't face on though so let's say 10 window to window lengths to account for the near side being slightly closer to us.

So the flat tower structure is 21 window lengths from side to side (10 + 10 + the original centre window length), 10.8 x 21 = 226.8 metres wide. The Arquitens cruiser looked about equal to this when they collided. Someone mentioned that that is 325m long? 325 ÷ 226.8 = 1.43 so we can multiply our guys height by that amount 10.8 × 1.43 = 2.57 metres, which is 8 foot 5 inches. That is a giant. Did I make any mistakes?

 

Given that it's 325m not 350, that reduces it a bit. And he's closer than the window he's standing in front of - perhaps enough to make a difference.

The Arquitens also looks like it could be a bit wider than the bridge tower without messing up the shot.

Combine the two and it may just about work.

 

Your first mistake was thinking it was new and anything was changed.



Your second mistake was eyeballing it.

 

Well I did use a ruler on my screen. I don't understand your first point and picture, sorry.

I don't think it's a mistake to try to estimate things like this.