ST First Order's Strength

Fine:

1. Cuban Revolution
2. Haitian Revolution
3. The First Italo-Ethiopian War (culminating in the battle of Adua)

Etc

More power opponents losing to local insurgents has happened many times in history.

What would be unique is a conquered power somehow having the funds and secrecy to do research and development that surpasses even the current state of knowledge of the sitting powers. Then to have the funds to build an applied version of such technology. To successfully test it without arousing suspicion. To fully staff and train the thousands of people required for it use and to carry out the massive movement of material necessary to transform an entire planet into a weapons system. All while continuing to be entirely under embargo and without arousing the slightest suspicion that anything amiss was happening.

 

The galaxy is a big place though, isn't it plausible enough that the First Order are Imperial sympathizers that hook up with whoever Snoke and his people are in the Unknown Regions? And those regions have the resources to do everything you're saying?

I know it's very streamlined and convenient, but it's not nonsensical.

 

this is exactly what happened. They aren't even Imperial sympathizers, they're the hardcore remnants of the Empire rebranded who had 30 years to fester over the loss of their order. The Galactic Empire was Palpatine's Empire. The First Order was supposed to be Gallius Rax's, but he was killed.

 

Yes, but that's what makes is strange. After World War II, there were certainly Nazi sympathizers that dispersed. They didn't manage to regroup, find a secret island, develop more advanced nuclear weapons than the United States, detaonate said devices simultaneously in Moscow and Washington DC, and re-declare the Third Reich. Because, you know, at least tried to keep track of known criminals.

Or again, yes, North Korea and Iran have had illicit weapons programs. But they were A)not decades ahead of the most advanced programs in better resourced nations and B)known about and monitored by the international community precisely because of their reputation as aggressors. What's implausible is not that they tried. It's that they succeeded so wildly, with the New Republic supposedly entirely blind-sided by the whole thing despite the decades it took to maintain such a massive conspiracy.

 

Uhhh, aren't you familiar with the historical documentary Iron Sky?

The Unknown Regions are just vague enough to allow this space Fourth Reich to accomplish everything that would undermine your (valid) points.

The First Order's greatest strength is a writer's keyboard.

 

Like i said before, you cant compare 1 to 1. This was a drafted army in the real world, that's not the same in SW world, right.

BTW, in that link it states that by the military ended up with 3 times the power their originally started with. So it did lose most of what it had to fight the war but it ended up with way more folks anyway.

Apparently from what we saw in TFA the Republic fleet was not enough to cover the territories it had, it only covered one solar system. And thats tremendously goofy.

 

Well eventually the small force grew bigger and was able to slowly dismantle the Empire’s foundation. Desires of freedom and liberation spread like a virus.

 

Yes, but after seeing the 'freedom and liberation against tyranny' formula again and again it gets old. Hence my main complaint for the ST. TLJ especially feels like something I could've seen out of Rebels. In fact I've noted quite a few similarities between the ST and the Rebels series that it makes me wonder.....

Moving on, I've been looking at the ICS scans of FO equipment and it's clear these guys have got all this weaponry to dominate any opposition. Manufacturers are waiting for the day when TIE Silencers can be mass-produced (replacing TIE Fighters as a whole maybe?), AT-M6 guns are supposedly meant to pack the power to punch through orbital defense shields and the Dreadnoughts are fleet killers and can annihilate land structures pretty easily.

I'm also under no delusions that the hyperspace tracking tech was lost just because the Supremacy got wrecked.

JJ has his work cut out for him. To me, it's obvious TFA was strictly meant to be nostalgic while Ep. 8 and Ep. 9 were to come into stuff on their own, that obviously didn't pan out, now we just have episode 9. And frankly, I have no idea how the 'Resistance' is supposed to contend with the FO. Not with all the state-of-the-art tech they have.

With Kylo at the reins, I'm hoping when he says to 'let old things die' he means the FO's worship of the Imperial aesthetic and we can get something new. Perhaps the First Order will call itself a new name.

And hopefully Resistance/Rebellion can band back together to form the NR again.

Actual new factions instead of an extended GCW.

 

This is interesting, because when you look at TFA and TLJ, the First Order has taken some serious losses. Even though they won at the end of TLJ, they have lost the Starkiller base with all there personal, they lost that super big dreadnought with that cannon busting laser weapon of theirs and Hold's last minute lightspeed was reminiscent to the Vong book where Centerpoint Station wiped out like 40% of the fleet. Holdo's lightspeed trick took out a big portion of the fleet and Snoke's ship. So what kind of numbers do they really have? The resistance, well, yeah they are kinda of toast for now, but the First Order took some heavy damages.

 

While I completely agree with your assessment, I can practically guarantee that their losses will have no practical effect on their strength in Episode IX.

 

You said victors don’t demilitarize. They do. And the New Republic also had more than the Republic had.

 

They dont demilitarize to the point they cant protect anything, man. That's the point of this.

 

They didn't. They still had a navy and it was wiped out with the attack on Hosnian Prime.

You ever hear of a kill shot? That's what the SKB attack on Hosnian Prime and the NR was.

 

Oh sorry, they had enough to protect ONE solar system. Thats does change everything, doesnt it.

No, it's still silly.

 

You still don't understand. The navy was in port at the NR capital world. They werent protecting one system. They were stationed there. There was no war so why wouldn't they be in port or drydock?

 

Do you know how big was the new republic? Cause im thinking it has to be a good chunk of the GALAXY. Or was it just the aliens we see in the movies? Humans, the furry ones, the new fish faces, the Mon Cal, and Sullustians. Is that the size of the NR? Cause if that's the size then i understand.

But if it's anywhere close to the size of the Empire then the idea that the whole fleet being in one system is straight up ridiculous.

 

holy straw man, batman.

 

Yea that what bothers me. Everything was destroyed? Even when Pearl Harbor was hit the u.s. Was able to bounce back and make more ships and what not.

 

I'm assuming the New Republic was much smaller than the Empire. You have to imagine that a lot of systems preferred to remain independent after being under the Empire's rule for a few decades.

 

Something to consider. According to the Aftermath trilogy what would become the first order had 25% of all the imperial fleet that was left just before the battle of Jakku.

 

You might want to reread what I quoted. And you’re trying to spin it another way only leads to more errors.

 

I would like to know who is in charge of their various fleets... Do the First Order have any Admirals...?

 

I hope the captain of that Dreadnought was an Admiral, otherwise there hasn't been a single Admiral in the First Order with spoken lines.

 

If the New Republic lost their real fleet in TFA, and the new Rebellion is like 9 people, and the First Order just lost the Starkiller Base, Snoke, AND their main ship...and the FO and Rebels are preoccupied with their own BS in the Outer Rim...

I don't see why someone/anyone else wouldn't take the opportunity to take over the New Republic in places that actually matter now. The same goes for all the investors, peoples of influence, institutions and governments.

It helps that the US has an abundance of natural resources, the Industrial Revolution just happened, Germany and Japan were the only other places that could manufacture at that scale and were busy, and that the US dammed up all the rivers so that the residents in the mountains that never wanted to leave would be forced to move for water and jobs creating the Middle Class.