ST The Sanctuary - (Dissenters Unite! - Warning on page 232)

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Makes sense, but I don't think that's the intention. I think the intention in ANH is that they physically hid a device in there that goes "BEEP-BEEP-BEEP", similar to the one Obi-Wan puts on the hull of Fett's ship and reveals their destination even after jumping to hyperspace. Otherwise they'd be gone, with no way of tracking. Now that same device is no longer needed, as long as you have some kind of ship signature.

 

I read Han’s dice will be show in Han Solo Movie so it's Lucasfilm being like "do you want to know more about it? Watch Han Solo movie ". I'll don't anyway

 

and that was the point the original poster was saying, you could do either of the 2 choices that seem "extreme" and befriending them was one of those the father offered, h/e the general tried to do a 3rd middle one and that was disastrous just like Holdo....your post seemed to indicate you disagreed with the original poster

 

I should really post this in the "What things you loved about TLJ" thread, but they wouldn't understand...
TLJ is so bad, as a film and even worse as an SW story, it has cured my desire to buy anything SW related again. If a needed a lunch box for kid I would, in the past, get an SW one, for example. Now I just do not care TLJ has saved me a lot of money.

 

The dice were put it there in 1975/76 by Roger Christian when he was leading the construction of the Millennium falcon in Leavesden, England. I'm a child of the 1970's and clearly remember how many cars had (mainly) furry dice hanging from the rear-view mirror. George Lucas also had them in one of the cars in American Grafitti. I cannot help but think that this was an intended nod-and-a-wink by Rian Johnson to the 'fans' and yet more proof of his Star Wars credentials. The same thing applies to the 'ironing' scene. This was apparently paying homage to Hardware Wars (you can find it on YouTube) from 1978.

In my view both scenes failed entirely as they once again took me out of a galaxy far away, and a time period of a long time ago. I'm not interested in smug references, particularly if they do not serve the story.

(Solo may well have the dice as there's also the Ron Howard connection).

 

Re: The dice, if they weren't really 'there' how did Luke put them in Leia's hand? And why did they lie on the ground for Kylo to pick up?

I guess the same way Threepio could see Luke.

 

No she has some but chalk it up to naivety. So she doesn't know enough to fail so that it's means anything.

The story indicates that Finn really wasn't a part of the more heinous aspects of the First Order and when he was then he bolted. Rose was oppressed by the them. Holda and Poe talk past each other (which is the problem) and Rey is right to critique Luke and Luke does her as well so I really don't see any real problems there.

Yet she's really sidelined. She was used by Ren to distract Snoke. She doesn't save the Resistance. Luke does. So she plays a part but in that respect she is used by Ren and inspires Luke (but only after intervention by Yoda).

 

I thought all the characters had good arcs and were handled pretty well. Especially for it only spanning one film. The stakes may have been dull because you already know they succeed. Even so, I got the sense that the rebellion was in a very desperate situation, so much that the entire squad perished to complete the mission.

 

He definitely had more fight time than Luke...

 

It begs the question: where does the First Order stand? Starkville base was their technological achievement, and surely snokes ship was second to that. Holdo destroys that entire fleet which begs another question, where did the at-ats even come from.

 

My biggest nitpick with TFA was how the FO could have built the Starkiller base without the Republic knowing about it. The same is true of Snoke's flagship. I mean, that thing was supposed to have been what, like 30 miles long or something? I know the galaxy is a big place, but that's a lot of labor and materials, especially if arms dealers are supplying both sides. Someone would have sold that information.

The First Order is basically the Rebellion as TFA opens. They are the upstarts. The Rebellion was rag-tag, but the FO is shiny and new like they are the established power.

 

No time?....star wars nerds? Puhleeeeze. Like they ONLY watch the movies....
Those Questions are Bad examples:
Lightsaber: It was a map, it was the will of force, the lightsaber is not a focal point.
Rays lineage....theres an answer....a nobody.
Snoke.....Who was palps in OT...they are both dead and we knew nothing when they first appeared.


I guess its beating a dead horse, you all hate it. I wash my hands of this thread conversation....its just so pointless and wrong for me in my opinion to expend the effort. i tried and now i just no longer care. best wishes to all of those who just have too much anger over this movie or RJ or Disney or Fathiers or Kylo or whatever. May the force be with you.

 

I get that.

It didn't really bother me while I was watching the film, but where did the atat come from? Where is the first Order standing, post last jedi, if the next film follows almost immediately after, time wise.

It is never really told visually how large this group is, which allows the creators to solve "problems" by means of pulling a rabbit out of a hat.

 

A lot of rabbits got pulled out of a lot of hats in TLJ. IMO.

 

That is a generational thing.

Lucas is an old-school hero and villain guy because of the time he comes from.

He knows how to craft them with sincerity and honesty. I don't know that younger writer/directors like JJ and RJ would want to do them that ways. They seem to care about heroes being likeable and villains being confused in their villainy.

So Lucas creates Sidious, Vader, Tarkin, Maul, Dooku and Grievous.

The new era creates Snoke, Ren, Hux, Phasma and Krennic.

Need I say more? The former are E-V-I-L.

The latter are.. kinda... "No really we ARE bad guys. No really! Oh come on we are too so evil."

Lucas isn't afraid to do things other find embarrassing with characters. They enjoy being evil while the new era is uncomfortable in their evil.

 

first off, calm down, dude, if all you are here for is to bash SW "nerds" that's sad....
if u really think what you wrote, then fine, but don't bash others for not

There are plenty of people who don't do anything but watch the movies
Those questions were raised in TFA themselves that's why the answers are waiting to be answered
And about the answers, yea they are, but people are going to be disappointed with such nonimportant answers to these questions that seemed to be important
Maybe it's wrong expectations, but you can't fault that since TFA caused those expectations with it's portrayals and anybody is upset when expectations don't work out, part of life

 

I'm looking forward to a fan edit once this thing comes out on BR. A fan edit likely cant atone for the tragic treatment of Luke's character but it can remove all of the humor that sucked me out of the experience. As has been noted by myself and countless others, the "humor" is often timed so poorly. As soon as there is an emotional moment and youre trying to sink into #BAM# here's a joke!

I could kinda, probably, maybe get into TLJ jedi more if it weren't for the poorly calculated jokes. And reduce the canto bight horse zaniness as well, perhaps.

 

Militarily - the size of the First Order and the Resistance (and New Republic) is really inconsistent and unclear throughout both movies, and not laid out in a digestible way. Also, Hosnian Prime was moved from Coruscant as the capital of the New Republic. Why not go back to Coruscant or another large core world?

 

The same reason why Jakku is Tatooine, but it isn't.

 

I liked the Kylo/Luke fight at the end for the visuals and the drama, but y’all are right that by my count it’s the third fake out non-fight in the movie.

1. The snail paced massacre/“chase” where the FO is shooting just to annoy the Resistance while every once in a while they blow up a ship while the rest of the Resistance just watches;

2. Crait sets it up with walkers and trailer shots of little Resistance ships flying toward the walkers, implying this epic battle of David versus Goliath... and the resistance ships turn around and the walkers never do anything more than stand there; and

3. A light saber “duel” without a single clash of lightsabers lol.

Does RJ have something against actual action?

 

Dude, im in here...only nerds discuss this in detail...theres no bashing WHATSOEVER. But there are high emotions on this thread i dont get and now realize is not worth my effort. Peace out.

 

Interesting.

I absolutely hate that sort of thing in movies and TV but I have to say that I didn't really for TLJ because I found the humor placed properly and in context.

Yeah there is comedy that seems like that and I can see why some take it that way but most of that comes in what is already comedy lines so it's doesn't jar. Finn and Rose's storyline is riff with comedy and satire so it's not out of place in context.

MH is masterful at making the humor work for Luke. A less skilled actor would botch it and it'd be that awful Marvel nonsense.

 

Side note...something that realllllllllllly bothered me here.

The rate at which the FO kept destroying the transports almost seemed like, mathematically, they should have easily picked them all off in a short amount of time. I may go back later and see if there are any inconsistencies in the shots of the transports.

 

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