ST The Island: A "Luke in TLJ" Teeth Gnashers Perspective (see warning on page 9 before posting)

So what’s the “big swerve”? It seems like you’re saying that Lucasfilm will backtrack on Luke being dead somehow?

 

I don't think Disney and Lucasfilm is going to be altering the plans for IX anymore going forward. JJ is going to do what he wants to do. I assume his script is done now, maybe just some fine tuning is still to come. But I doubt Solo will have any impact. By then filming will be ready to begin.

What Luke's role in IX is comes down to what's in JJ's heart, I think.

 

If he shows up in the flesh, absolutely it would be a swerve. He disappeared. That means the next time you see that character, they are blue spirits, right?

I mean, that’s what we are supposed to think, right? Luke is dead, as in dead.

 

So you’re saying that you think Luke will return, having not died?
No, that’s not going to happen. Force ghosts are already able to do pretty much everything that a story might need a character to do if required. Bringing Luke back in the flesh would just be an outright contradiction, and there’s no reason to suspect that would happen, nor is there “wriggle room”

 

I know what you're saying @CEB, and under normal circumstances, I'd probably agree with you. But after EP 8 purposefully subverted almost everything that was set up in EP 7, why should we believe anything will happen that was set up in TLJ. For all we know, maybe he didn't really die at the end, maybe he just Force Projected himself to another spot. Maybe it's something completely different than ghosting. Rey's line that he's in peace and with purpose could be changed to reflect...I dunno...anything. For all we know, the movie will open with Rey physically grabbing Ghost Luke and tossing him off a cliff and having a good chuckle about it. I'd almost expect that to happen.

If Luke does comes back, the only thing I could possibly see is him interacting with Kylo. He has no real connection to Rey, never said good-bye to her, never passed the torch to her. Doesn't need to pass on his lessons to her, doesn't need to train her. She has the books, has everything else she needs already from Luke. It'll probably be all just for Kylo. And because the movie sets up that Ghosts can interact with the real world now, he's basically the same as being alive either way. The only difference is that Force Projection can't kill him now....nothing can. So it's like having him there, but not really, but still really.

 

Sorry, but you’re overstating the way in which TLJ “subverted” anything.

 

Just facing again that my interest in Star Wars fades away. Not in the way I announced before and me completely leaving, just that I lose interest very slowly. I have no idea what to discuss, speculate or talk about regarding any of the upcoming movies (don't care for a trailer of Solo movie or even would care if this movie is streamed for free). That's indeed not good and quite the same when I left years ago with Mara Jade's killing. So it happens again and it has the same effect.

 

I’m not saying anything is for sure going to happen. If you’d scroll back up and read my original post, I plainly said it was ‘speculation and food for thought’.

I agree; there’s now (thanks to Yoda) nothing that a Force Ghost can’t do that a physical body can, do it probably isn’t necessary to have Luke still be ‘alive’ in the physical world.

I’m just suggesting there’s enough blur there to get away with it IF JJ wants.

 

Well no, there’s not enough blur for JJ to get away with it. Luke’s death has consequences.

 

I'm curious about the Thrawn sequel, end of Rebels etc.
But E9? the SW comic? Not really.
The Han Solo movie? Just give me the Visual Dictionary that fills in the galaxy. Or give me a trailer.
Fan-fic. Much more engaging to read stories that the authors take advantage of the full history of the Saga.

 

I’m not having this argument with you again. I couldn’t go over to the Official thread and make imperative statements that shoot down every opinion and theory that disagree with my own, and even though the rules are relaxed on this thread, I don’t think it is cool for you to do it here.

Unless you’ve read the script for IX, you have no idea where they are going with this any more than I do, and to follow up on your statement about how much TLJ subverted TFA, that is your opinion, and I happen to agree with @DarkGingerJedi’s post chapter and verse.

I wish you’d stop being so dismissive.

And by the way, if Luke returns as an all-powerful spirit, how does that carry more severe consequences than if he actually lived at the end of TLJ and just teleported?

 

Well I have some ideas of where they’re going. One of them being that Luke is dead, and that his return is very unlikely to not be through the established notion of force ghosts.

 

Nice points. Let me add to it that I think the worse nightmare for Disney is for the SW name to become toxic and I think it already is from TLJ. Luke had a lot of fans and their love has turned to hate. Follow sw.com on Facebook and see the exposure its getting. Every forum where TLJ is mentioned and that has a user response option audience members destroy the film. That to me seems to largely be outside of the political reasons that have been given for the backlash but it probably also plays into it.

In the context of movie success there is limited fallout from slight BO drops but for overall success on their investment the risk to Disney is suddenly much greater. Families deciding not to go to Disney SW Land because of disenfranchisement is a flow on effect that could have a long term impact on viability. More so than the immediate impact of a few less movie tickets. Destroying the life long childhood memories of fans when you want them as customers is a pretty weird business plan.

 

Sure there is. Just say he never died.

 

I agree. Like I said, I am just spitballing and speculating.

 

Walking into the film we'll have all these ideas in our heads, walking out we'll be remembering the two Force Ghost appearances where he just said something to someone.

Anyway now we know, after 35 years of waiting we find out Luke opened a Jedi school when he wasn't qualified to do that - he never became a Jedi Master. Let's hope he fares better in Force Ghost School.

Yoda: To Rey, I must now appear
Luke: Hey, I'm supposed to be Rey's advisor
Yoda: Ready to give advice to young Rey, you are not
Luke: I am ready, Ben, tell him...

Oh, *******............

Suddenly the jokes not funny anymore

 

@Darth Vain Well I can't stop laughing from your post. Thank you, made my day.

 

I agree with you. They’ve gone too far and done real damage, and we’ve not fully seen it yet. The box office difference at this stage - your repeat customers - is down by more than half from TFA every single day now. This is week 7, and TLJ has its first day under $400,000 this week. TFA didn’t have its first sub $400K day until week 10.

We aren’t going to see the full impact of the damage until BR sales, Solo and ultimately IX are released. They’ve hurt some feeling though. You have to be willfully blind to not see it.

 

I agree with this dude

 

^^agree 100%

 

O.K. I'm all right now.

Just got to thinking about TCW. Still to get through it all after having them for a year - but one of the thing that keeps me going is the whole Ahsoka/ Anakin dynamic - Snips and Sky Guy. They still do older mentor young pupil in Dr Who (not to my taste these days) and have done since it's inception. Audiences are used to it. I don't think it's been fully explored yet in the main sequence films, and played out over three films you could have had the most emotional moment in cinema history when Rey's mentor, friend and confidante, Jedi Master Luke Skywalker, ascended to another plane.
*the tears are splashing off the keyboard as I type this*
So they meet and eventually there is the inevitable parting. Of course in between is the real trick. What happened in between Rey and Luke meeting then parting - did you find it emotionally satisfying - even though you were heartbroken after what they'd been through; what they meant to each other.

Exactly.

 

exactly, no emotional pay-off to Rey losing her mentor or Luke losing anyone he cares about. It just leaves you empty not caring for anyone who survived, including the main protagonist and that's a real issue.

 

ST Luke is absolutely a coward. Instead of cleaning up his own mess, he lets the '"force" do it. instead of confronting kylo, jedi to ... whatever kylo is, he telephone calls him, knowing he's safe and cant be harmed. He cant even face his own nephew, he has to put on a disguise.

He was turned into an absolute coward, for no real reason. And then because the movie says he's one with the force now, that somehow changes things. Nah.

 

I really liked Rey in TFA and was excited to see her learn from Luke and maybe excite him about being a Jedi again. I hated Kylo Ren.

Now? Meh. I don’t really care. They not only ruined Luke, but also Rey, Finn and Poe, too. Everyone in TLJ comes out diminished except Rose. She’s kind of the hero of the whole piece.

 

Pretty much, after Yoda pulled down lightning and tapped Luke with his cane, they've basically said the Force can do anything. So for all we know, Luke "could" have teleported himself off of Ahch-To. Maybe to the ruins of his old academy. The only thing in the way of that is Rey saying he was gone, and they can toss that over the shoulder like Anakin's lightsaber.

They probably won't...I get the feeling JJ is a bit more traditional with the idea of the Force than Rian is, but Rian has clearly given them the license to, and short of a director's cut to Yoda's physical interactions, it's canon that the Force is whatever can of whoop ass you need it to be.