ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

@Dragon Jedi I love uncontrollable Force Bond too because it has levity to it. They never know when it's gonna strike so situations can be funny. There's a lot of potential for comedy, drama, horror, etc because of unpredictability.

 

That because he moves towards her in every force bond while she remains almost always still.
He literally walks towards her every time, entering her space little by little to the point of physical contact.

She could do it too I think, only that she never "invades" his space, not until the elevator scene and that was outside the bond.

 

You make a good point.

But honestly i dont think Rey could do it.
She just discovered about the force and i dont think she knows how to use it properly.
Maybe in the future she will.
Bcoz till now everthing that Rey has done with the force comes directly or indirectly from Kylo.
She is downloading tricks and techniques from Kylo.

Nobody taught her to do things using the force but she still does them bcoz Kylo does them.
We saw that.

This force bond thing with Kylo is really working out for our girl.

 

She did invade his personal space in the elevator, like leaning in really close to him, but in the flesh and not through the bond. However, she was the one extending her hand to him in the bond, inviting him to touch her, which he accepted.

He was so curious about the connection, asking questions, wanting to find out what was going on and Rey was busy cursing him out, which he mostly ignored.

 

They are careful about that it's a girl who always make the first move. Rey initiating the hand touch. Rose initiating the kiss. I see a pattern.

 

Yes, same.

 

I think she moved towards him in the scene where their hands touched, I mean, it was Rey who proposed the contact in the first place.

With respect to who created the force bond I think it was Snoke, it was he who allowed them to see each other through such a large distance. I really could not care less, for me the important thing is the connection at a personal level that Rey and Ben formed, I do not care if their powers or their minds are connected in some way thanks to the force. When they come face to face again what will determine the resolution of their relationship (lovers, enemies, friends or whatever) will be their empathy for the other, the understanding, the similarities they share and also their differences ... all this will define if they kill each other or if they decide to give the other a second chance or whatever JJ wants to happen.

 

Exactly!
So, theoretically, if Kylo can control the bond, she downloaded that file too from his mind.

 

This true. Damn, she doesn't even have to go to "school". She just download the stuff she needs -

 

Maybe its bcoz they dont want people to yell ABUSE at every little thing.

 

Hahaha!!! And yet they will.. You can bet on it x)

 

@Dragon Jedi I was thinking about what RJ said about the Force Bond sessions, I can't quite remember everything, but he said that it comes easier to them each time it happens - not sure it means they can control it, just that it comes easier to them.

 

there's an outrage that Rose kissed Finn without his permission.

However, I'm really disappointed that they sanitized Phasma fight. I loved the spoiler where Finn cut Phasma's arm but they changed that into his just breaking her helmet and then the platform giving away. Meh.

 

Haha!!
Oh I hope she lives x(

 

Perhaps I remember it wrong, anyway I hope that they'll continue with the "rogue connections".
BTW on Wookieepedia they have added a new paragraph to the Force-bond entry wrt Snoke, it is the first time I read it:

I do not know how reliable Wookieepedia is, but it seems to confirm that Snoke only controlled the bond (probably manipulating Kylo, as I suspected) but did not create it.
Whatever "bridged your minds" means for Snoke...

Do you know how far we can trust Wookieepedia as source?

 

I rather doubt that Snoke created the "bond" which is rooted in both Rey and Kylo being these opposing focal points in the Force. This brought them into one another's orbit and when their minds linked, that probably created whatever it was that Snoke later manipulated to "bridge" their minds. It's that everyone's fingers are in the Force bond pot: the Force, Rey & Kylo, and Snoke.

I don't know if the mind bridge can return after Rey shut the door. I do get this feeling of finality about it. But the bond/link between them will remain because it was there before Snoke and will be there after.

I kind of imagine Kylo will try to forget about Rey and try to run things the way he thinks they should be, but will find himself frustrated.

They could of course just have it open as Kylo has been hunting the Resistance all this time, but I feel it would work better if he hasn't really been dedicated to that, and the Resistance meanwhile has been slowly rebuilding. Both Rey and Kylo know that they will have to face one another again but neither is in a rush to do so, would maybe be what would make the most sense to me.

The IX plot would introduce whatever forces them back into one another's orbits.

Also the Resistance is so small now in the sense of who is left on the MF, that they could probably hide really easily. It would be cool if for a while it was like they just... disappeared. It's... counter-ominous (since they are not an evil lurking in wait). There's no point in trying to hunt them down really. They can all have "most wanted" posters of course. Bounty hunters and spies can have at it.

 

It's the necessary phase between Boy Loses Girl/Girl Loses Boy and Boy Regains Girl/Girl Regains Boy. They try to forget each other, or are even told by others to do so. "Forget him, you can do better, you have people who care for you"/"Forget her, you can do better, you have people who care for you". One may have flat out miserable life cause he/she misses their lover, and another may have a seemingly happy one but feels that something is missing (and that's his/her lover). For example, in Jane Eyre, after the break up, Rochester was completely miserable without Jane (including his injuries in fire) while Jane was seemingly happy with new friends she made and a new suitor but she felt that something was missing, that she wasn't complete. And then she heard Rochester calling (kind of a supernatural thing) and they reunited, confirmed their love and got married. So thus Boy Regains Girl/Girl Regains Boy was fulfilled.

 

Yeah I would expect that.
If Crait's surface is any indication Kylo is bleeding badly.
And since he is bleeding either figuratively as well as physically every time Rey's around, he might not he in a hurry to meet her again anytime soon.

It is difficult for me to interpret the "closing door" scene (hard not to call it "Hodor scene" now courtesy of @vaderito ) as her own shutting him out. I feel it would be out of her character, but I may be wrong of course.
I think that scene is from his perspective, his POV, it's Kylo's view of things.
She shuts the hatch of the Falcon (and takes her sweet time to do it) because the Falcon is leaving.
That is all.
What we understand as subtext, we see it through Kylo's eyes.

They may communicate telepathically, that's true. They feel each other's emotions, also true. But it's not for us to know.

I hope in the novelization to shed more light, but I doubt it.

 

My thought is that he recognized Rey's rejection at the end of the movie since he winced in response to her shutting him out. I think he'll react in part like a wounded animal and retreat to lick his wounds. I also don't think he'll try to change Rey's mind or anything like that. What's uncertain with Kylo is whether he will nurse a grudge or come to an understanding. I feel like the story could validly go either way, even though I prefer the latter to the former. I think that Kylo *should* be at this point where he realizes reacting the way he normally does isn't the way, and I would think both he and Rey might be reflecting over matters in terms of understanding where the other is coming from.

Maybe, but I recall that video from the SG in which they were saying that there had been this two-way link between them in which they could learn skills and abilities from the other and now that is closed, which I thought was in reference to Rey shutting the door at the end of TLJ. I can't remember what else I encountered, but I am led to believe RJ intended that as Rey shutting the door on him (shutting the mind bridge). She is rejecting him for making the wrong choice, basically. And I see that as in character for her myself.

Part of me wonders if I will be surprised by how the novelizations depict things.

 

You are referrig to this quote from Pablo Hidalgo:

The Millenium Falcon door separates them. "Separate", not "cut them out".
It is exctly what happens in the Godfather, Michael is engulfed in the political power of the Mafia leaving Kay on the other side (of that door).
Michael and Kay did not have the privilege of a rogue bond, they are not equal in power and skills. Kylo and Rey are "just" at opposite sides [again].
But I do believe that Kylo himself might be in need of spending some time on his own. He maybe even wants to.

If they have no control over the bond, as I hope, that may be interesting.

 

Yeah, my impression is Kylo will recognize a rejection for what it is... He will consider things over.

 

I think phasma will come back.

Otherwise what will Finn do?

 

what do phasma and Finn have to do with the Kylo and Rey thread?

I feel lost...

 

I think he did.

Kylo chasing Rey is not fun to watch.
I think he will leave her alone.
Until something pushes them both back together.

Kylo is the ruler of the galaxy.
He will be busy with ruling and you know getting betrayed by Hux.

 

And beyond this, I don't think Kylo would attempt to reach out to Rey again.