Full Series Rebels 4.13 - A World Between Worlds - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I really hate it that they've introduced time traveling in the SWU and the possibility to change the past. ((

 

Now that I have time to think, I wonder how did Palpatine knew too much of Kanan and Ezra, even his real name Caleb Dume? Why did he let them go that far?

And he doesn’t care about Ezra or Ahsoka it seems, he wants to kill them, and what about Vader? Why wasn’t he dispatched to Lothal to kill the rebels?

And is this the first confrontation between Ahsoka and Palpatine? And what will think Vader of her being still alive?

What will be the next book after the series ends? A follow up to Ezra?

 

Yeah that is a certainly better interpretation but the characters thinking something in previous episodes didn’t connect with the propose at all of this episode, which had little to do with protecting secrets from a temple the Empire couldn't even open.

Also, I found the answer to my question:

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Basically how I viewed the episode: Kanan sent Ezra and the rest of the team in a super risky mission that could’ve been jeopardized in many ways, to open a portal that should’ve never been opened, just to save Ahsoka because I don’t know, she is an interesting character.

And I find that weird storytelling. As I said, some tweaks in the writing could’ve made this episode feel more like a poignant mission that justified the risk, the purpose and Kanan’s motivations, while still resulting in the writers’ obvious intentions which were finding a convoluted way to bring this character back.

 

Who says it changed the past; as opposed to just closed the loop as it should have always been?

 

Neatly closed loop time travel is my favorite kind of time travel fiction. Messy paradoxes can easily destroy a story. Also, in a context like SW where there’s always an element of destiny to things, a closed loop fits better and is more mystical. I hope time travel doesn’t start getting used more regularly. Wherever Ezra and Ahsoka were, I think it should be special to their story specifically.

 

Perhaps Ezra pulling Ahsoka out of that duel was the will of the Force and the Ones. He saved Vader at the same time from a certain point of view, as he and Ahsoka may have perished together if they'd been left to the events as they were playing out. Perhaps the saga of Luke & Vader was destined to restore balance, and the Force is willing that story to unfold by way of the actions of others not directly related to the OT.

 

I don't like time traveling in any form. It always tends to mess up continuity and logic. And this process has started for SW with this episode. I already see inconsistency in the story.

 

What was the inconsistency?

 

do elaborate. We''ll wait.

 

Is it just me, or did the scenes in the Space void with Palaptine seem like an adaptation of this piece of concept art:


This was intended for The Clone Wars Season 8, the Jedi Temple/Sith Shrine arc. Sidious would have been on the other side of a door blasting lightning at Ahsoka.

The scene in this ep when Palpatine was blasting fire at Ahsoka seems like it was probably inspired by this concept, and was given a chance to be seen on screen in a way.

 

Could be.

 

Ahsoka promised Ezra to find him, so why didn't she do it right after Malachor?
Ezra is definitely not the first and not the last one to enter this world-between-worlds. He understood the implications of changing the past, but somebody evil or lacking common sense might and will decide otherwise and mix up the space-time continuum.

 

This episode really handled time travel well IMO. You had to possibility of paradox here - with Ezra having the opportunity to "save" Kanan, but as Ahsoka told him if that happened then the rest of the Ghost crew, including Ezra himself, would have died.

The ending of the episode brings up another interesting point - Ahsoka returned to her portal, walking back in the destroyed Sith Temple on Malachor a couple years earlier in the timeline than Ezra's return to Lothal. So where has she been for the last two years? Likely in hiding at that Sith Temple. If she would have left Malachor at that point and went to help the Rebels, she would be interfering with a timeline that already happened which is exactly what she'd Told Ezra he couldn't do. So she's likely been in hiding on Malachor, until this point know in which she's "caught back up" to Ezra's timeline - which means she should be free to join the Rebels at this time. We'll see - but again this was well thought out time travel that won't be overused because the portal is closed and the Jedi Temple destroyed. Good stuff.

See my post above. She couldn't go find him until she caught up with his timeline, or she'd be creating a paradox by changing events that had already happened. The events of the last two seasons needed to play our exactly as they happened, without her interference, for Ezra to have ended up saving her in World Between Worlds.

 

^^This

 

So she had been sitting in the cave on Malachor all this time, ok. But she will create paradox in the moment she decides to show up. It doesn't matter when, once she appears from her seclusion she will change the natural events from that point on.

 

What is the "natural order of events" that hasn't happened yet? Isn't that like an oxymoron or something? Nothing has yet been written in stone that this isn't exactly how things should be.

 

Yes it does matter when she shows up. If she appears before Ezra saved her then she would have never been saved because the events leading up to Ezra going in that portal would have been changed. After that point though, she's free to join them because nothing after it has "happened" yet.

 

I enjoyed the episodes, thankfully they got Ahsoka back on the screen because there is so much potential with her story, Seeing Ian back as palpy made me smile, but I do wonder now how Ezra will survive this whole thing considering he is classed a Jedi where Ahsoka is not.. I think we're seeing a potential series being made for her maybe a Mini series. Who knows what Dave will do next after Rebels anyway.. I hope for Clone wars seasons 7/8 if he gets permission to set the record straight.

 

Does she even have a ship? IIRC, Maul was stuck on Malachor until he stole an Inquisitor TIE.

 

Her only means of "transportation" would be through that portal; which she didn't know about until Ezra saved her.

 

There were four TIEs on Malachor when the temple blew. Vader's and the 3 Inquisitors'. Vader presumably took his and Maul took one of the Inquisitor's.

 

I believe there were a couple TIEs there. Three Inquisotors were killed on Malachor, so there should at least be one ship left for her.

 

Also it was quite interesting to see Palpy use Kanan as bait for Ezra, the possibilities if Ahsoka couldn't teach Ezra to finally let go, he would've walked straight into Palpy and well the rest...............

I only noticed it overall because of the Sith like icon on top of the portal.

 

Yes, you can simplify and look at it that way. But considering that Ahsoka should be dead in "the natural order of events", her reappearance will change everything, not only for Ezra, but for everything she touches. She even changed the natural environment of that cave on Malachor because she shouldn't be there, she should be dead.