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Discussion in 'Community' started by a star war, Apr 19, 2018.

  1. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    The only thing necessary for the triumph of dp4m is for good men to do nothing.

    I can do basic search. I can google the words “Kang the conqueror respect thread.” I can post youtube clips about Vulcan being beyond omega level (@Leroy Jenkins Jr ).In other words I can manually stimulate myself, I can do bare minimum, and I can expect max results. What I need from y’all is inspiration. I know how and why Kang beats Terrax, I know how and why Terrax beats Kang. It depends on which side I am, but I’m not a GM I’m a judge so therefore have no dog in the fight. The reality is, that dp4m picked better overall than you (because he’s more experienced in these games, and better at them overall than you).

    Therefore he has to put in less work than you when it comes to arguments.

    This doesn’t mean the outcome is a foregone conclusion - there’s scope for an engaging, creative, location-centric argument that can turn a judgement your way.

    The word “what” without even a question mark is a sterling effort, but slightly shy of the mark.
     
  2. Jordan1Kenobi

    Jordan1Kenobi Force Ghost star 6

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    I’m about 1% offended, 7% amused (that last paragraph gave me a chuckle) and 92% inspired because of that. Mark my words Punk, I’m gonna give you the arguments of a life time today.
     
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  3. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Cool. We’re all on the same page - that there’s work to be done, and stimulating arguments to be made
     
  4. a star war

    a star war Force Ghost star 5

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    Please do not stimulate the judges. Do not cross the partitions for your own safety.
     
  5. MandaloreYak

    MandaloreYak Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'd like to see some Kang feats. I mean I'll search for some too, but yeah. And Terrax is like the 3rd-best herald after Morg and Surfer. Not sure where Stardust fits in and barely seen Airwalker do anything, but he's way better than Nova and Firelord.
    Especially Nova.
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    BLEACH?!?!?!?!


    I'm open in the Panther vs Graviton match, actually. Panther prepped is one of the few people non-OP people I'd consider vs Graviton.
    I'm guessing there are tons of squirrels on a forest planet. If not, I mean, I'm sure she'll find some other way to win.
     
  6. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    One thing of note: Terrax gets more powerful with his Earth abilities the lower the gravity (he can lift more).

    Pandora is 20% less gravity than Earth and has flying friggin' mountains.
     
  7. a star war

    a star war Force Ghost star 5

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    The flying mountains have nothing to do with the gravity.
     
  8. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Right, but he can rain them down like candy -- they're mountains. With 20% more efficiency.
     
  9. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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  10. Jordan1Kenobi

    Jordan1Kenobi Force Ghost star 6

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    I'm not the one saying my opponent is gonna throw 20% heavier mountains around.

    (I can't believe I'm actually listening to that while I type my argument)
     
  11. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Smoooooooooooooooooooooooth...

    ... operator!
     
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  12. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Perhaps, but you’re the one spending extra time fact checking
     
  13. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Terrax...

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    But sure, lifting 5 tons and having armor that can only tank a nuclear blast is cool too...

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  14. Jordan1Kenobi

    Jordan1Kenobi Force Ghost star 6

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    Captain America (prepared) vs. Hela.

    Captain America is my favourite comic book character of all time. I don't care who he's up against, I'll be there to argue for him.

    What's the one thing Cap has a huge advantage on over Hela? Skill. How many times has a weaker opponent in comics taken down a big bad because of their skill alone? Lots. Cap isn't just a great fighter, he's the best fighter Marvel has to offer. Cap's taken on countless heavy hitters and lived to tell the tale because of this. He's so hard to land a hit on that most opponents never get a chance. Hela's fast, but not fast enough. With prep time Cap will be able to study what fighting styles she uses and decide which one is best to counter it.

    Now let's not underestimate Cap's strength. Yes, Hela is a **** load stronger than him, but that's never stopped him before. Let's have a look shall we...

    Let's start with an easy one - Rhino. Why would I even bother showing this? Well it shows that Cap is able to take down someone a lot stronger than him with ease. This just means he's actually going to have to put in effort to take down Hela.
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    Cap defeats Iron Man by completely destroying his Extremis armour with his shield.
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    Let's get a stronger opponent. Cap beats Namor by K.O. from a distant hit with his shield.
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  15. Jordan1Kenobi

    Jordan1Kenobi Force Ghost star 6

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    What happens if Hela get a hit on him? Oh nothing... Because Odin Force Thor couldn't even get past his shield.
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    See what I mean here - Thor has trouble landing a hit on him in another fight they had.
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    You want stronger? Alright, alright. How's Onslaught? He can't even touch Cap. Then when Cap gets a chance, he slams his shield so hard into his neck that it stuns him and makes him bleed. A hit like that on Hela would cause a lot more damage. Cap know's all about pressure points and the exact spot he needs to hit to inflict the most damage. Even if he's able to get a couple of critical hits on Hela leaving her stunned and injured, this should give him enough of an opportunity to take her down. It's not impossible, and if anyone's gonna do it, it's gonna be Cap.
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    To take this fight he's gonna need to make little to no mistakes. Usually he goes into these fights unprepared and just goes with the flow. Making no mistakes mean's he's gonna need to be fast. He's easily been able to dodge and block multiple enemies shooting him at close range with ease, and even dodge lasers at point blank range. To take it to the next level, he's also been able to dodge attacks at the speed of sound. Take it to another level, he's also been able to dodge and counter speedsters, including Quicksilver. I just don't see how Hela is gonna land a hit on this guy. I mean Hela's fast too, but for someone who's been able to throw his shield at 15,000 MPH, hitting her shouldn't be too much of a problem.
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    Cap's durability is insane. He's literally fallen hundreds of feet to the ground and been fine. He's taken beatings from opponents that he shouldn't be able to.

    Air Walker (a Herald of Galactus) blasts Cap, Iron Man and Thor, where Cap takes most of the impact, yet it's Cap who ends up being the one who has to carry the other two away.

    He takes a beating from Namor, yet is somehow still able to keep fighting him (even landing a few good hits on him) and is completely fine afterwards.
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    Now it's not just about the four S's (strength, speed, skill and stamina). One of Cap's main abilities is will. No matter how hard something is, even if it seems impossible, he will still try and do it. When he sees Hela standing infront of him, he won't be scared or nervous. He'll be ready to fight. In fact, Hela may even get a bit cocky thinking that she'll be able to take him down with ease. She likes to make everything a show. The fact that he's going into this fight prepared will make him more confident than ever. He's also very intelligent, so he'll be able to make the most out of this prep time. He's faced opponents stronger than her before. He's fought Asgardians. He knows exactly what he's getting into.

    His will can even increase his strength. Have a look at this - A skyscraper once collapsed on top of Cap. He had a momentum absorbing shield (which he could bring into battle with his prep time). The shield absorbed most of the impact, but it couldn't absorb it all. He held up a huge portion of a freaking skyscraper because he had the will to do so.
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    And I'll leave you with that. Captain America makes the impossible possible. Sorry Hela, but you'e going down. The end.
     
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  16. heels1785

    heels1785 Skywalker Saga + JCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    JORDAN GITTEM
     
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  17. Jordan1Kenobi

    Jordan1Kenobi Force Ghost star 6

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    Ok, phew... I split it into two posts. That works.
     
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  18. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Wow. If this is how hard you argue Cap vs Hela, I can only imagine how strong your Kang vs Terrax efforts will be.
     
  19. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    @dp4m Can you feel the tension in the air right now? I know I can.
     
  20. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral JCC Baseball Draft/SWC Jedi Commish star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP - Game Host

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    Okay, so, the question really was asked about what T'Challa was going to get from prep?

    Well, he's named as the 8th smartest man in the world, so that probably counts for something. He can also build a device to completely take down a decent vampire with nothing more than a trip to Lowe's (we know he ain't going to Home Depot) - imagine what he'll be able to build when he has access to Wakanda. Oh, and he can literally rip away the Power Cosmic from Silver Surver, again, using a device of his own creation. In just ten minutes, he created a device to damped psionic powers - imagine what he's going to do with 24 hours.

    You wanna talk about being able to walk in with some durability? How about his own version of the Hulkbuster? Vibranium, which he has full access to and intimate knowledge of, that can protect him from EMPs, Need to avoid a blast? how about teleporting? Taking a full on blast from a Phoenix Force amped-up Namor is no problem for Panther - he literally doesn't even break stride.

    You wanna talk feats? how about going toe-to-toe with a member of Thanos' Black Order, and sending him packing quickly, with his tail between his legs? Think making a device that can knock out Thanos in seconds is impressive? How about standing up, literally, to the Devil - punching him in the face and then, oh yeah, having a clever plan to win the day. (Yes, the way he took down Mephisto won't work here, but look at the record - thinking of ways to take down Mephisto, Steal the Power Cosmic, disable a psionic ... the versatility in what he can plan for goes on and on and one and shows no signs of any foe being too much or too complex. Heck, he's even beaten a god by going onto the right plane to win the fight. And he's proven to be willing to do pretty much whatever it takes, including destroying all the Vibranium just to beat Doom. Graviton is built to take on teams? With prep, Panther tosses the entire Fanstastic Four like he's matched up again Jurgen Klopp in a cup final. Ripping through not just one Skrull at the end of Secret Invasion, but taking them on en masse? He comes at Ultron with specifically designed weapons and bosses him around. And we won't even get into his ability to filibuster a very hangry Galactus.

    You've got a guy who has more resources than Bat Man, more tech than Tony Stark, better fighting skills than Captain America, and more versatility in planning than Reed Richards. He can come up with a plan to take down Thanos, he can outwit Mephisto, he can take down entire teams, he can go toe-to-toe with brute strength, withstand energy blasts, take the best hits from people like Magneto, and can deliver wallops to forces like Ultron. He can suit his tech to take down Silver Surver, Hulk, or Professor X, and anyone in between.

    And, remember. Graviton is a chump. T'Challa is a King. And as the immortal Mel Brooks told us

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  21. cubman987

    cubman987 Friendly Neighborhood Saga/Music/Fun & Games Mod star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    LOL what a horrible matchup for me
     
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  22. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 7 Staff Member Manager

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  23. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    I've worked like 80 hours in the last five days, and I'm not packed for a flight later today, so keep this short:

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    If he actually hits her, like Fozzie says about Kermit -- "He'll just give you warts" -- she'll just transmute him.

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    And that doesn't even really touch her magic, beyond the shields above...
     
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  24. Darth Punk

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    @Jordan1Kenobi deeps has just officially played the work card - not as powerful as when played in conjunction with the ill card, but a telling move nonetheless.

    If you have anything to say about Kang vs Terrax
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  25. dp4m

    dp4m Mr. Bandwagon star 10

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    Also @DarthIntegral -- do people really question T'Challa at prep? He's been insanely strong at it in the last several drafts...