ST Darth Plagueis in IX

At least we'd know who gave Snoke his scars, so far he could've cut himself shaving with a lightsaber for anyone knows.

I think Snoke could've worked better if they'd made him Plagueis' secret apprentice. After Palps murders Plagueis, Snoke disappears into the unkown regions.

 

That would make more sense to me than saying daaahhh Snoke is Plaguies, he has to be cause I want it. He stopped being a Sith and hid from Palpatine.....cause thats the big bad I want, someone who hid from his apprentice.

 

Yup...and soon as he hears Palps and his boy Vader are no more, Snoke comes back to pick up the pieces, the only thing is he follows Plagueis to closely and suffers his fate. Makes perfect sense doesn't it?

 

Makes alot more sense than everyone wanting a big bad that got fooled by his apprentice not once but twice (saying Snoke was Plaguies).

 

It just seems they had no bloody idea about what the story was and where it was going. Makes me question why throw out George's story treatments? Alter them, sure, but don't throw them out unless you have something better. Having no story at all isn't better. It's insane. At least in my opinion.

I think they are going to have Snoke be Plageius in some fashion, either using the idea that Plagy figured out how to possess other beings bodies or maybe that he didn't really die at the hands of Palpatine. I just hope they really work it out and don't go with the first draft ideas. I really want IX to be an awesome film.

 

Actually Snoke being Plaguies at this point would be hilarious. Everybody hoping for it would be rooting for the dumbest and most underwhelming Sith Lord of all time. Beaten by his apprentice twice. They should call him Darth Plagueis the overly trusting.

 

I don't know if Plagueis was that dumb.... And when I read about the death of Plagueis and how Palpatine supposedly killed him in his sleep.... I'm more apt to think that Plagueis let him kill him.... Just saying.... It seems to me Plagueis was so nervous about the repercussions of messing with the force... And when he heard of a young boy strong in the force.... And could not reach or talk to the little boy before he left with the Jedi.... It seems to me like Plagueis laid there and let Palpatine kill him.... Just saying..... It seems to me like Plagueis just got out while the getting was good.... And who knows.... which is the most wonderful thing about Star Wars folklore.... Because now with Snoke... There are many ways to spin a connection between both of them....

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Darth Plagueis will never come back because then the Tradgey of Darth Plagueis The Wise would no longer be ironic.

 

Like the fall of Anakin Skywalker, yeah!

 

The dramatic irony lay in the belief that the mentor killed the master but in actuality the opposite is so; just as the Greeks used tragic irony, the audience knows but the character doesn’t, lest we forget Palpatine’s penchant for over confidence.


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For purposes of what anyone but the most rabid SW fan knows about Plageuis, his story was a tool to manipulate Anakin. Even if you paid close enough attention in ROTS to remember the name, you didn't really get in that context that Plageuis was Palpatine' master (you could speculate it if you spent a lot of time thinking about it, but most obviously wouldn't), or anything about him manipulating the force to create Anakin. Therefore, the biggest reach possible in ep. 9 in terms of villains would be bringing back Palp (mind you that is even a bigger reach than bringing back Anakin/Vader, which they likely won't do), certainly they are not going all the way back to the story of Plageuis that no one knows about.

I'm sure JJ "tying the saga together" does not mean tying the history of the Sith and/or Jedi together, only what is prominent in the movies (and maybe not even a lot of that).

 

I think Lucasfilm and Marvel need to do a Plagueis run of him and Sidious plotting their overthrow of the Republic.

 

It’s part of the story. Whether or not anyone knows about him is really immaterial. Did anyone know about Snoke or any other character ever introduced in the narrative before it actually happened the first time? Rhetorical question. As oft said, it’s the execution that matters in the end. The bonus comes within the context of the entire story as a whole. The Opera Scene is not the story itself.

It also depends on the story they want to tell. Thinking of the big multi-episodic arc, Anakin Skywalker becoming Darth Vader aka the Tragedy of Darth Vader is the central problem in the story. The consequences still reverberating in the ST. Therefore, it makes little narrative logic to conclude that the manipulation of Anakin by means of the Plagueis legend insignificant because the only people that know Plagueis are “rabid fans”. The characterization part of the problem for any reasonable discussion BTW. Again, the Plagueis story played a part in the main story problem the same way Old Ben’s manipulation of Luke to be a Jedi like his father, only low and behold, Darth Vader is his father.

Likewise the redemption of Anakin Skywalker another significant plot point in the over-arc. The fall, redemption and the consequences. Could we reasonably think that Plagueis part of the consequences?

Do I think Snoke is Plagueis? No, I hope not. Do I think they’ll use Plagueis in IX? No. It just seems to me if they were planning on resurrecting the character it should have been done much sooner in the ST, unless they’re planning on Episode X. To characterize this as the end of the Skywalker saga seems to be definitive.


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I don't care about any logic argument. I want Plagueis.

 

How would you like him to be used? Simply mentioned or appearing?

 

Appearing. Having recovered from Palps attack (that failed) and having him the one who "created" Anakin

 

There is already enough clues that Plagueis is not tied to Snoke. From the novels to comics, Palpatine is investigating a great power in the Unknown Regions, a mystery. If it were Plagueis, I would image he would detect his signature in the Force. Moreover, if we are going to drag in Plagueis from a non-canon novel, then he lived and worked during his time in the heart of the Galaxy, not meandering in the unknown regions.

 

Then was also killed by Kylo Ren? I read the Plaguies book, and I get it. If they made him Snoke it wouldn't look too great for him to be murdered again (even if he let it happen). I wouldn't be too impressed by a guy who gets killed by his apprentice every 50 or so years.

 

Even if they don't make Plagueis' book canon they have already done everything to make Snoke a new character and stated the Sith were extinct. Saying Plagueis renounced the Sith and changed his name to Snoke is really not a good way to get around that. It would be a dead giveaway that there was never a backstory for Snoke and we are just going to give in and say he was Plagueis now.

 

Killed by Palps then killed by Kylo, that would make him the biggest sucker in the galaxy and a rubbish Force user. What kind of super-duper Sith Lord gets blind sided twice?

 

Kylo tells Vader’s burnt helmet “I will finish what you have started.” What does Kylo mean and what could that be? Darth Vader wanted to end this destructive conflict and bring order to the galaxy. He also wanted to learn the secrets of the dark side in order to save Padme from death. A couple of possibilities there that tie things together.


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It's material to whether or not JJ would plunk him in as the big cheese villain in the final-movie chapter in episode 9.

 

It stretches credulity to think any exclusion predicated on fan recognition.


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Well, maybe in episode 9 the galaxy is under complete control by Ren and there hasn't been to much conflict after Crait.

 

You can feel it stretches credulity, certainly you are entitled to an opinion. They included a lot of people (lots of Easter egg character appearances that wouldn't have otherwise been included), and I am sure left out a lot of characters for that reason, it matters like it or not, and it is the fact of the matter they are not going to pop a main overarching villain in the last movie.