ST ST Criticism Discussion Thread

Oh sorry, that's what I get for not reading the conversation close enough

I thought we were talking about the creators thinking it's a success if the audience was invested in Snoke as the main big bad.

 

The difference between you and him, is that this person appears to praise everything about the movie, and goes through the trouble of defending every single thing about it for 2 pages, while at the same time criticizing people that did not like the movie.

By the way, I did not say I think he did not like the movie. I said I think he did not like the Snoke plot twist. That's very different. I can totally and wholeheartedly understand why someone can like TLJ. The people in the complimentary thread have presented their opinions and arguments of why such a thing happens, and it is 100% acceptable and respectable.

 

But why couldn't he have genuinely enjoyed the Snoke twist? As I said maybe he thought the narrative was building Snoke up to be the big bad and he enjoyed that particular subversion. I really don't think there is any auterior motive. He just enjoyed the film more than either of us.

 

He might have genuinely enjoyed the Snoke twist, and you can believe that if you want. Since none of us can read their mind, we can agree to disagree, since I think the opposite.

 

Aren't you doing the same to him as you are claiming he is doing to you - dismissing his ooinion and assigning motives?

 

I don't; it just seems that way.

 

One of these Andy Serkis roles was handled better than the other. I wonder which it is.

Spoiler: It is

Klaw in Black Panther

 

They are doing a pretty terrible job at it, since they haven't answered the 'mystery boxes' is supplemental material either. Perhaps they are going to bring them together in IX?

 

Since I am not getting paid by screenrant, no, I am not doing the same. Plus, I NEVER said that anyone who likes the movie is toxic and is destroying the franchise, or that they are pushing an agenda.

If it were you, or anyone else in these forums, claiming that they thought Snoke's death was an ingenious plot twist (which mind you, no one has said, not even the people that rate TLJ with a 10/10, or at least I haven't seen it anywhere on these forums), I would not make that assumption.

 

In terms of the quality of the acting performance I think he was great in TLJ.
Story-wise... well, you know.

 

To be fair I don't think he said those things about everyone who disliked the films.

But if you take that through to the natural conclusion, does that mean you second guess everyone who is a professional that expresses an opinion on films? Positive and negative.

 

Some details have emerged, others have not. No doubt they are doing a terrible job.

 

I agree.

Posting articles of other people's thoughts on the films only serves to get people angry at someone they can't even directly address.

 

Are they doing a terrible job at addressing mystery boxes in supplementsry material, or is that not even their intent in the first place

 

I feel bit like I'm being baited into bashing the ST which is against the rules.

They are doing a bad job in general. As an example, they are leaving out too many details, some of which, I suspect, they left out in order to entice the fanbase with a book, comic book or TV show.

 

Wow, you have literally bombarded me with question after question about my opinion and my views about the article.... I would not have followed up on any of them, if you were not trying to prove that somehow I should not criticize an article that I saw online. Which I merely pointed out because it's part of the problem with how the ST is presented right now. If people don't want other people to disagree with them or get angry at them, then perhaps they should refrain from posting clickbait articles.

However, this is my last post on the topic, and I wouldn't even have made it, if you hadn't implied yet another accusation towards a post that you dislike. You know, it is OK to not comment on everything others have to say about the ST and the articles that talk about it. Seriously, you should not feel obligated.

Back on topic, which was Snoke if I remember correctly, I wish we had seen more of him and his background. He was very interesting to me in TFA, even if he appeared to initially be another mystery box. This is why I did not have any issues with TFA. Because every open question that was left unanswered, was presented as a question that would eventually be answered. And then it either was answered in a very simplistic and invalidating way, or it wasn't answered at all.

 

No, not baited at all. I just think if they were truly leaving out details for supplementary material we would have evidence for it. I don't believe there is any personally

 

Fair. It takes two to tango though.

 

Oh no, no; of course not.

Your belief is so noted.

 

Condecension much? I'm just engaging in a discussion with you about your point? Why the hostility?

 

Well I don't believe I baited anyone. Surely if that constitues baiting then the very posting of the article would be baiting as well (I don't think it is).

 

I'm interested in honest conversation. I don't get the feeling you are, however. I foresee much word play and semantic arguments.