ST Admiral Holdo's Hyperjump in Episode VIII

You guys are such nerds.

 

@afrojedi
Come on, with a bit of elasticity we can buy this one we just need two postulates, that are possible to explain in-universe:
--the maneuver is very difficult
--it can't be made with small ships

@DarthHass
I perfectly understand whoever finds funny all this discussion about irrelevant stuff. The point is that having a coherent idea of all the rules is just our mean to feel more involved whenever we see a new movie, or read a new book of the franchise, 'cause we know what is at stakes, what can be done by each character and what is not feasible. If there are no rules and any director can just make whatever up, the downside is that everything starts feeling more superficial, at least to me.

But I'll give you that, sometimes we might go too far

 

Dew it!

Although my opinion on the subject runs along the lines of Han's quote from TESB, the above would make a heck of a good meme.

 

So Jedi can revert shuttles into normal space without a working hyperdrive?

Kanan, Star Wars Rebels says, "Hold my caf!"

 

Holdo however doesn't have access to a drunk Scotty!

But yes a drunk Scotty is like a scared Vila from Blake Seven!

There's no lock he can't pick if he's scared enough!

The problem with Holdo is that she would need something to lock onto to pull that off!

Sigh...I still love that Scotty comparison!

 

Bravo, @Darth Smurf !!!

 

I think, given the TLJ books, that an answer could be made from the Hyperspace Tracking capacity of the supremacy, which is possible by generating a hyperspace field. If so, the Supremacy may have bridged the hyperfield generated between the projected entry point, now behind the Raddus, allowing Holdo to hit the ship in transition to hyperspace. This theory also supposes that an interrupted field prevent the transition to hyperspace, just as in Rogue One ships jumping to hyperspace collide with the Star Destroyer in a realspace manner.

 

The Holdo maneuver is one of those things that undoubtedly looks and sounds awesome on the big screen.

But then when you think about it, it starts to look less logical the more you evaluate it.

 

Visually and aurally the best part of the movie.

 

I'd suggest limiting the amount of logic you apply to the science of Star Wars.

 

Gee, thanks. But I didn't say anything about science, mate.

 

Oh, then I guess I don't see what was illogical about it.

 

It's not about scientific logic. It's about internal logic. Pretty much anyone who's ever watched a Star Wars movie has had this thought about ramming other ships at lightspeed. Everyone else came to the conclusion that it couldn't be done, because otherwise nothing about the way space battles work would make sense. Johnson wasn't the only person brilliant enough to think of it, he was just the only person apathetic enough about the integrity of the universe to do it.

Before, lightspeed made perfect logical sense. You're basically accelerating so fast that you enter another dimension. When you're in this other dimension, you're susceptible to the mass shadows of objects in normal space and can be torn apart if you collide with them. But objects in normal space are not similarly susceptible to objects traveling in hyperspace. This is what makes hyperspace a non-viable candidate for weaponization.

 

It need only make hyperspace a very difficult candidate for weaponization. Non-viable under normal circumstances, but worthy of a last ditch effort if you can manage. It requires very little effort to conclude that Holdo's success was the result of some perfect storm of factors.

The conclusion never needed to be that it couldn't be done. We've seen far too thin of a slice of the GFFA to make that conclusion.

 

Nowhere is it successfully communicated that Holdo's maneuver was the result of a perfect storm of factors. And the possibility that it could ever be done opens up too many cans of worms for it to ever have been considered. Then you always have to explain why it isn't being done in every single battle going forward. It puts an unnecessary burden on future storytellers simply so Johnson could have his own cool moment. It's a selfish way of operating in a shared universe.

 

It doesn't have to be communicated if you're capable of thinking critically. I don't have to know all the mechanics involved. All I need to know is that Holdo used the move in a moment of desperation and that nobody else ever tries it. I can reasonably conclude from those two pieces of information that it's either too unreliable, too costly, too difficult, too whatever, to be used as a deliberate method of warfare in the GFFA.

 

Don't forget, in addition, that the maneuver was possible only thanks to the fact that Hux underestimated the threat.

 

Even if he brought all their weapons to bear on the Raddus, could he have stopped it? It happens pretty quickly.

 

In my head canon he could have.

 

The ships in RO that hit the Star Destroyer have not yet completed the transition into hyperspace. The ones before them don’t hit it because they are already far enough into the transition before the Star Destroyer completes its own transition from hyperspace back into real space.

The same applies to Holdo’s manuever; it only works because her ship hasn’t completed its transition to hyperspace yet when it gets to Snoke’s ship. It’s going extremely fast, but it still has a physical presence in real space.

 

From now on, if I am the first order, I am going to go find a bunch of cheap bulk cruisers, put droid pilots on board, and turn them into hyperspace kamikazes. The resistance won’t stand a chance.

 

The only reason Holdo's hyperspace jump works, is because the script required something visually impressive, without thinking if it can stand in a movie without being ridiculous in every aspect. Because it is. It is 100% inconsistent with Lucas' universe, and also, it renders all the SW movies prior to that pointless. We have talked about this extensively in the ST criticism thread. If something like that could be done, then it should have been done 1000000 times in the millenia that the SW universe has had the ability to travel through hyperspace.

If anyone thinks that it's perfectly logical for Holdo to be the first one to ever think of that in the history of SW, all I can say to them is that they would need to reevaluate their logic.

 

Amazing. Every word of what you just said...was wrong.

 

It really wasn't, and using Mark's worst line in the worst portrayal of his character is not surprising, but it really doesn't have any impact on the conversation.