Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Lol, do you really think this game is implying two stormtrooper helmets cost more than a ship? They’re just meaningless amounts for game tokens.


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Now hold on buster, we're talking about two MIMBAN stormtrooper helmets here.

No but seriously, this is why I don't like star wars board games (war games are a different category). The filling is never taken seriously.

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I remember having fun as a kid playing Star Wars monopoly. But in retrospect, the idea of Palpatine selling the Imperial Palace for a few hundred credits completely breaks canon, and for the newer editions there's no way Darth Maul's face would be on Imperial currency. That just ruins the whole game!

Also, I thought I enjoyed Star Wars: Rebellion as a wonderful and complex game of strategy . . . but it turns out some of the Aurebesh on the board is gibberish, so 0/10. What was the Story Group thinking ????

 

Interesting looking pirate capital ship in the new Star Wars resistance. Kind of looks like a dreadnaught with a bunch of stuff glued on to it, including an AT-AT as a bridge.

 

AKA the best YT model freighter.

Just kidding the 2400 will always be the best, with the 2000 close behind.

 

Not just any AT-AT, but the earlier model from Rebels, probably just a reused asset.

 

How many proton torpedoes were carried by each X-Wing at Battle of Yavin? By each Y-Wing?

Do X-Wings and Y-Wings carry other self-propelled munitions?

Concept art for ROTJ space battle has B-Wings firing missiles or torpedoes at the dome on the SSD. What are the self-propelled munitions on a B-Wing? And how many?

 

Any concept art of the pirate dreadnought around?
EDIT: just recalled there's a GAV thread, moving the AT-AT question there.

 

This is going off memory so it might be wrong, but I seem to recall reading somewhere that X-wings carry six proton torpedoes, but because the Alliance was short on them Luke's X-wing only carried two. Makes his destruction of the Death Star that much more dramatic.

 

That's right. B-Wing had 12 torpedoes in the X-wing sim pc games. Before the mission you could switch out the torp launchers for concussion missile or heavy rocket launchers. X-wing carried 8 concussion missiles or 4 heavy rockets. B-Wing could carry 8 heavy rockets. There were also Advanced Torpedoes, the X-wing could carry 8. Y-Wing had 10 torpedoes or 6 heavy rockets or 4 bombs.
Oh and there was a magnetic pulse variant of the torpedo.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Magnetic_pulse

 

Has the ISD that was destroyed in the Hoth Asteroid Belt ever been named?

 

I love that the First Order TIE/SF carry those too. They're actually name dropped in TFA when Poe is telling Finn how to switch through weapons.

At least I'm assuming 'Mag-Pulse' is meant to be short for Magnetic Pulse just like in the EU.

Interestingly, Wookieepedia has yet to make an article for them, I'm guessing because there is nearly zero information on it.

 

I call it Penumbra. But no, never been an official name anywhere.

 

It is a dope name, though.

 

(This is a quick catch-up reply. Hope I didn't miss anything important!)

@LelalMekha - I'll mention quickly that those MGLT figures in that new Super Graphic book all appear to be from old off-screen canon, found either on Wookieepedia or the old Behind the Magic CD-ROM, and may represent the figures in Master Chee's holocron. Why BtM has different MGLT numbers than the RotJ behind-the-scenes material, I do not know...

Pretty sure those are laser bolts. I guess that the domes, whatever they are, are vulnerable to close-range shots...

Interesting. The detailed CGI shows that this isn't just a fuzzy and straightforward reuse (i.e., we can't, unfortunately, argue that the "upside down Tector" in RotJ is actually a bulk cruiser! ), but the basis could, as you suggest, be a "kitbash" of the ISD CGI.

Both are certainly possible, but as we see the Y-wings "switch power to front deflector screens" agains the flak and then "stabilize" the rear deflectors for the fighters, I think they're paying attention to their shields; the lack of ineffective direct hits is also I think significant - we never see a hit absorbed by the shields, and while an X-wing can take hits to the engines/wings, a square hit on the aft fuselage or a direct hit on a Y-wing always makes them come apart...

Possibly - as I suggest to @TheRedBlade below - the Yavin TIEs are carrying the STAR WARS equivalent of the Luftwaffe's MK108 autocannon, a tremendously powerful weapon for a fighter but one that required a pilot to get in very close to be effective...

Depends what you mean by "established" - with regard to the A-wing and the Interceptor, the general perception has always been "very bloody fast", and I'm not sure that the speeds from the games and the Behind the Magic CD actually had much more effect on perceptions than the RotJ chart (which I think was well-known from RotJ art-books, and is clearly production-canon); understanding which source said what specifically about this or that speed would seem like a lot of superfluous effort in these post-reboot days...

(... but, as I said a while back, my personal view is that we have three A-wing types - the original KDY R-22 Spearhead seen in DROIDS and RotJ, which is a very physically compact fighter and can be associated with the 150 MGLT speed - but may lack features such as missiles and a fully autonomous hyperdrive; the Alliance-built version from WEG/Xvt/REBELS, designated the RZ-1, which is physically scaled-up and designed for easy manufacture in Rebel hangars, but presumably "only" 120 MGLT; and the high-performance Incom RZ-1 Mk. II seen in both The Bacta War and The Last Jedi, which is certainly faster than 120 MGLT)...

The issue with the Y-wing is a puzzle - there's certainly a perception that they're slower, but what we really know is that they underperform, and the thing to do would be to go through all the early canon to confirm what's actually said about them (e.g., are they just less manoeuvrable?). Once we know that, we can offer suggestions on how the 70MGLT "XvT Y-wing" and the 100MGLT "Endor Y-wing" differ from each other (as to pre-reboot canon, WARFARE actually states outright that the single-seater Y-wings of the type seen in the movies shift power from shields to speed at the expense of survivability, and that could be the difference; note that Salm's unit switch back after Endor to two-seaters, which per the WARFARE narrative are comparatively slow, but very well-shielded).

I took the general difference in numbers to be largely a reflection of the fact that the TIE doesn't need the sort of "deck park" space that most Rebel fighters require.

The Indomitable in the BFC novels is the big puzzle - she's assigned that enlarged K-wing squadron you mention (18 planes), plus two squadrons of X-wings and two of E-wings. Taken on internal evidence from the novels and the associated authorial FAQ, we might suppose that K-Mac simply intended the New Class ships to have really large starfighter contingents, with this being relatively normal for the Majestic class...

However, Cracken's Threat Dossier does not include the Majestic among the New Class types "designed to carry a wing or more of starfighters" (only the Defender carrier and the two types using the big destroyer/fleet carrier hull do that); moreover, the typical Defender-class carrier only carries three squadrons, all of them E-wings; a small number carry "K-wing bomber wings", but as the BFC FAQ mentions that K-wings require escorting fighters, these presumably include at least one fighter squadron; only one has Defender fighters, which being small and compact might be able to be placed aboard in larger numbers (and the text doesn't exclude the possibility that these are carried as escorts in a mixed unit with K-wings). The implication is that the cruiser variant of the same hull should only carry one or two squadrons.

The Dossier assigns the fleet carriers two wings, an "assault" formation combining K-Wings and Defenders (none of which have hyperdrives), and a "superiority" force of E-wings, A-wings and/or X-wings, while the destroyer version of the same hull has "a wing" of one sort or another. Not specifically clear whether these wings are also three-squadron units.

One possibility here is that the Indomitable is carrying extra fighters at ILC-903 because her original allocation was regarded as inadequate after Doornik-319 - without going into details, the novels seem to allow the possibility that her allocation was "doubled up" using fighters in slots in internal hangars and launch bays that were supposed to be used by the same plane in sequence; the other possibility is that she's simply a larger ship than has been realised - she's always been regarded by the fandom as a Majestic-class heavy cruiser, based on the BFC author's C but I think you could squint at the books and interpret her as an unusual "cruiser" subtype of the destroyer/carrier hull...

I would go with this - the N1 equates to the two rifle-calibre machine-guns that were standard from the Great War until the 1930s (and the early Z-95's two "triple blasters", are the equivalent of three rifle-calibre guns in each wing, a missing step we don't see much of in canon); the X-wing's four big guns correspond to the larger groups of long-barrelled, long-range guns like the American heavy machine guns and the best versions of the Anglo-French Hispano autocannon, while the TIE's stubby-but-powerful weapons are the equivalent of the short-range, lightweight, but tremendously powerful 30mm shell guns that the Luftwaffe used on their fighters.

I like this on principle - but there are several references to fighters' shields in the trench-run sequence...

To be fair, most of the pilots we see close-up are in élite squadrons - can you think of anyone in a "mediocre Rebel squadron" who we see much about at all?

Re-reading a couple of BFC scenes for my reply to @DarthCane above, I'm reminded just how many fighters get vaped there...

I think the way the Rebels get in close at Endor is an example of them doing something that neither side is "meant" to do... the large, immobile Imperial formation, partially designed to block the escape route and partially perhaps to screen the Ex, may also disadvantage the ISDs...

- The Imperial Ewok

 

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I always imagined the N1's lasers are very similar to those in the TIE fighters, seeing as they are both green in colour.

 

Weren't some of the Phoenix Squadron A-Wing cannfodder redshirts at least given names? It's been a while but I thought a few were. Granted that was probably in the group that got smoked by Vader, so they could have been fairly "elite" for all the good it did them.

 

Nah still all unknown as of the moment
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Squadron_(Rebel_Alliance)

 

Aside from Dicer....and Wedge and Hobbie (you killed Hobbie you evil scum)....I don't think any of the Phoenix Cannon Fodder was given names.

 

Some fleet junkie tidbits from the latest episode of Resistance:


1) Apparently there is a Z-96 fighter, introduced after the Clone Wars and looking similar to the Clone Z-95 model. I wonder how it fits into the Z-95~X-Wing family tree.

2) A Z-95 is noted to be especially compatible with the Fireball. Makes me suspect that the Fireball is built off an Incom chassis. Possibly it is a Z-96. Though, again, if Griff's ship is a modified tie fighter, it is likely there is only a passing resemblance between the original designs and the custom versions.

3) The Z-95 is identified as belonging to Reaper squadron. It might mean there was a battle on Castilon in the Clone Wars, though it might just be a junk planet.

 

Not like me to admit I can't answer a question myself, but this is the quick way...

Speaking of Rebel/NR pilots, does anyone know if any source specified whether Tuke's K-wing escaped the blast when he vaped the Yevethan shipyard in Tyrant's Test...?

And does anyone know if any official source identifies the class of the "New Republic Star Destroyer Resolve" from the start of the BFC? The authorial FAQ identifies the ship as a Majestic-class heavy cruiser rather than the expected Nebula/Defender/Endurance hull...

I suspect that the 2009 Complete Encyclopedia may have content on both topics, but there are other possibilities as well...?

- The Imperial Ewok

 

Aren’t the Majestic and Defender classes supposed to look the same? (and unlike the Nebula and Endurance, the only art we have is those terrible illustrations from Cracken’s Threat Dossier)


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Well the cockpit seems to be from an X-Wing.

 

Cracken's Threat Dossier also called the Nebula-class a "Defender-class Star Destroyer" to add to the confusion.