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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/star-wars-cover-story?verso=true

STAR CROSSED
Kylo Ren (Adam Driver) and Rey battle it out with lightsabers in a stormy confrontation. Their Force-connection—what Driver calls their “maybe-bond”—will turn out to run even deeper than previously revealed.

Their relationship is the closest thing the new trilogy has to a star-crossed love story on the order of Han and Leia: a source close to the movie says that their Force-connection will turn out to run even deeper than we thought. They’re uniquely suited to understand each other, but at the same time they are in every way each other’s inverse, down to Kylo’s perverse rejection of his family, which is the one thing Rey craves most. “I think there’s a part of Rey that’s like, dude, you ****ing had it all, you had it all,” Ridley says. “That was always a big
question during filming: you had it all and you let it go.”
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“And then he had been forging this maybe-bond with Rey,” Driver says, “and it kind of ends with the question in the air: is he going to pursue that relationship, or when the door of her ship goes up, does that also close that camaraderie that they were maybe forming?”
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Lightsaber battle literally ON Death Star 2.

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I’m really liking the new cut of Kylo’s gib. Seriously, the new top to his suit looks quite a bit less “paunchy” than the TLJ one.

And yeah, I’m predictable in that I really don’t like them trying to frame Kylo and Rey’s interactions as comparable to Han and Leia in the OT. I genuinely don’t think the relationship has anywhere near enough development or depth to really get that comparison.

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They both look so good on that cover!

Will Kylo Ren and Rey reforge their own connection? And, if they do, will it be love or simply friendship that unites them? The answer, Driver says, is incredibly complicated: "I don't think it's any one thing. The strength in what Rian [Johnson] wrote and what J.J. [Abrams] wrote is it's never all one thing."

And this one is curious: "a source close to the movie says that [Kylo Ren and Rey's] Force-connection will turn out to run even deeper than we thought."

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It looks more like the TFA vision to me.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/the-truth-about-kylo-ren-and-reys-connection?verso=true

For a certain segment of the Star Wars fandom, the juiciest nugget from Vanity Fair’s exclusive new cover story on The Rise of Skywalker has to be this: “a source close to the movie says that [Kylo Ren and Rey’s] Force-connection will turn out to run even deeper than we thought.” For lack of any more obvious Anakin and Padmé or Han and Leia-type romances in the trilogy, fans have latched on to Kylo and Rey as potential star-crossed lovers ripped apart by opposite sides of the Force. But do actors Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver see them that way? Vanity Fair contributor Lev Grossman attempted to find out.

Unlike some potential romances that have preoccupied fans, the Kylo and Rey relationship has gotten plenty of support from inside the Star Wars production team. When speaking about The Force Awakens, director J.J. Abrams referred to Star Wars as “a fairy tale” calling out both Kylo as a “prince” and the duo’s “interesting relationship moving forward.” Mark Hamill referred to the pair’s “romantic tension” in The Last Jedi. But things looked decisively done between the two at the end of Episode VIII. And, at any rate, Rey has a lot more on her mind—like saving the galaxy. So where do they go from here?

When speaking about their characters with Grossman, both Ridley and Driver wound up describing similarly lonely and isolated childhoods for these Force-sensitive figures. Rey was literally abandoned by her parents—whoever they may be—and so has trouble comprehending how Kylo could shun his. But Ridley herself is much more understanding of the stress that might come from being raised by Han Solo and Leia Organa: “Having the two coolest parents and sometimes I’m sure it works amazingly, and sometimes it just might not.”

For Driver, this concept is the key to understanding Kylo Ren. “If you were the product of those two people, two very strong personalities who seemed to be almost more committed to a cause than anything else, what’s that like?” he says. Ben Solo is born to privilege, yes, but also tremendous pressure. Driver likens the Skywalker–Solos to a royal family, and notes the isolating power of being born with those spectacular gifts: “How do you form friendships out of that? How do you understand the weight of that? . . . It can easily go awry.” Burdened by her own talents, Rey also feels that solitude. “It’s a bit lonely having that much on one’s shoulders,” Ridley says.

Though their shared childhood isolation set them on two very different paths, the Rian Johnson-directed Last Jedi showed Kylo and Rey finding kinship in each other. Ridley describes them as “two quite powerful people who feel.” Driver adds that his character “had been forging this maybe-bond with Rey. The Last Jedi ends with the question in the air: is he going to pursue that relationship more or, when the door of her ship goes up, does that also close that camaraderie? This idea of being alone.”

If Kylo is still questioning, Rey is, at least initially, more resolute. Ridley says that as The Rise of Skywalker begins, “Rey is less inclined to believe that Kylo potentially could redeem himself.”

Looking back over the long arc of nine films, it’s easy to see the Skywalker saga as not only a story about repairing fractured bonds and escaping repeated patterns of a specific bloodline, but also the families we create for ourselves. John Boyega’s Finn and Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron are both options of support for Rey as she tries to build something new out of the ashes of her first attempt to reach Kylo Ren. “It’s not about just one person,” Isaac says of how his character deals with the strain of leadership and heroism in The Rise of Skywalker. “[It’s about] reaching out to his family, and particularly Finn is his family.”

Ridley says Rey is also part of that relationship, but kept apart a bit due to her Force sensitivity. Will Kylo Ren and Rey reforge their own connection? And, if they do, will it be love or simply friendship that unites them? The answer, Driver says, is incredibly complicated: “I don’t think it’s any one thing. The strength in what Rian [Johnson] wrote and what J.J. [Abrams] wrote is it’s never all one thing.”
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I think that photo is probably from the force flash fight in end of act I, or act II.

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Well its said they jumped to different planet locations.

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The covers as a continuous image:

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Gorgeous!

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It looks like TFA redux.

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milena said: ↑

They both look so good on that cover!

Will Kylo Ren and Rey reforge their own connection? And, if they do, will it be love or simply friendship that unites them? The answer, Driver says, is incredibly complicated: "I don't think it's any one thing. The strength in what Rian [Johnson] wrote and what J.J. [Abrams] wrote is it's never all one thing."

And this one is curious: "a source close to the movie says that [Kylo Ren and Rey's] Force-connection will turn out to run even deeper than we thought."
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As I’ve been expecting for a long time

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But the stakes go even higher than that, cosmically high. Sources close to the movie say that Skywalker will at long last bring to a climax the millennia-long conflict between the Jedi Order and its dark shadow, the Sith.
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Kylo Ren has it all wrong: you can’t bring back the past and become your own grandfather, and you can’t kill the past, either. All you can do is make your peace with it and learn from it and move on. Abrams is doing that with Star Wars—and meanwhile the Resistance is going to have to do that, too, if they really are going to bring this saga to an end. Because we’ve been here before, watching a band of scrappy rebels take down a technofascist empire, and it seemed to work fine at the time—but it didn’t last. The same goes for the Jedi and their struggle with the Sith. To end this story, really end it, they’re going to have to figure out the conditions of a more permanent victory over the forces of darkness. Their past was imperfect at best, and the present is a complete disaster—but the future is all before them. This time, finally, they’re going to get it right.
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This is what I meant when I said I believe the movie is about finding balance.

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littlepadawan91 said: ↑

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https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/the-truth-about-kylo-ren-and-reys-connection

Here's VF's article about Reylo.

For a certain segment of the Star Wars fandom, the juiciest nugget from Vanity Fair’s exclusive new cover story on The Rise of Skywalker has to be this: “a source close to the movie says that [Kylo Ren and Rey’s] Force-connection will turn out to run even deeper than we thought.” For lack of any more obvious Anakin and Padmé or Han and Leia-type romances in the trilogy, fans have latched on to Kylo and Rey as potential star-crossed lovers ripped apart by opposite sides of the Force. But do actors Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver see them that way? Vanity Fair contributor Lev Grossman attempted to find out.

Unlike some potential romances that have preoccupied fans, the Kylo and Rey relationship has gotten plenty of support from inside the Star Wars production team. When speaking about The Force Awakens, director J.J. Abrams referred to Star Wars as “a fairy tale” calling out both Kylo as a “prince” and the duo’s “interesting relationship moving forward.” Mark Hamill referred to the pair’s “romantic tension” in The Last Jedi. But things looked decisively done between the two at the end of Episode VIII. And, at any rate, Rey has a lot more on her mind—like saving the galaxy. So where do they go from here?

When speaking about their characters with Grossman, both Ridley and Driver wound up describing similarly lonely and isolated childhoods for these Force-sensitive figures. Rey was literally abandoned by her parents—whoever they may be—and so has trouble comprehending how Kylo could shun his. But Ridley herself is much more understanding of the stress that might come from being raised by Han Solo and Leia Organa: “Having the two coolest parents and sometimes I’m sure it works amazingly, and sometimes it just might not.”

For Driver, this concept is the key to understanding Kylo Ren. “If you were the product of those two people, two very strong personalities who seemed to be almost more committed to a cause than anything else, what’s that like?” he says. Ben Solo is born to privilege, yes, but also tremendous pressure. Driver likens the Skywalker–Solos to a royal family, and notes the isolating power of being born with those spectacular gifts: “How do you form friendships out of that? How do you understand the weight of that? . . . It can easily go awry.” Burdened by her own talents, Rey also feels that solitude. “It’s a bit lonely having that much on one’s shoulders,” Ridley says.

Though their shared childhood isolation set them on two very different paths, the Rian Johnson-directed Last Jedi showed Kylo and Rey finding kinship in each other. Ridley describes them as “two quite powerful people who feel.” Driver adds that his character “had been forging this maybe-bond with Rey. The Last Jedi ends with the question in the air: is he going to pursue that relationship more or, when the door of her ship goes up, does that also close that camaraderie? This idea of being alone.”

If Kylo is still questioning, Rey is, at least initially, more resolute. Ridley says that as The Rise of Skywalker begins, “Rey is less inclined to believe that Kylo potentially could redeem himself.”

Looking back over the long arc of nine films, it’s easy to see the Skywalker saga as not only a story about repairing fractured bonds and escaping repeated patterns of a specific bloodline, but also the families we create for ourselves. John Boyega’s Finn and Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron are both options of support for Rey as she tries to build something new out of the ashes of her first attempt to reach Kylo Ren. “It’s not about just one person,” Isaac says of how his character deals with the strain of leadership and heroism in The Rise of Skywalker. “[It’s about] reaching out to his family, and particularly Finn is his family.”

Ridley says Rey is also part of that relationship, but kept apart a bit due to her Force sensitivity. Will Kylo Ren and Rey reforge their own connection? And, if they do, will it be love or simply friendship that unites them? The answer, Driver says, is incredibly complicated: “I don’t think it’s any one thing. The strength in what Rian [Johnson] wrote and what J.J. [Abrams] wrote is it’s never all one thing.”
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NileQT87 said: ↑

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/05/the-truth-about-kylo-ren-and-reys-connection

Here's VF's article about Reylo.

For a certain segment of the Star Wars fandom, the juiciest nugget from Vanity Fair’s exclusive new cover story on The Rise of Skywalker has to be this: “a source close to the movie says that [Kylo Ren and Rey’s] Force-connection will turn out to run even deeper than we thought.” For lack of any more obvious Anakin and Padmé or Han and Leia-type romances in the trilogy, fans have latched on to Kylo and Rey as potential star-crossed lovers ripped apart by opposite sides of the Force. But do actors Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver see them that way? Vanity Fair contributor Lev Grossman attempted to find out.

Unlike some potential romances that have preoccupied fans, the Kylo and Rey relationship has gotten plenty of support from inside the Star Wars production team. When speaking about The Force Awakens, director J.J. Abrams referred to Star Wars as “a fairy tale” calling out both Kylo as a “prince” and the duo’s “interesting relationship moving forward.” Mark Hamill referred to the pair’s “romantic tension” in The Last Jedi. But things looked decisively done between the two at the end of Episode VIII. And, at any rate, Rey has a lot more on her mind—like saving the galaxy. So where do they go from here?

When speaking about their characters with Grossman, both Ridley and Driver wound up describing similarly lonely and isolated childhoods for these Force-sensitive figures. Rey was literally abandoned by her parents—whoever they may be—and so has trouble comprehending how Kylo could shun his. But Ridley herself is much more understanding of the stress that might come from being raised by Han Solo and Leia Organa: “Having the two coolest parents and sometimes I’m sure it works amazingly, and sometimes it just might not.”

For Driver, this concept is the key to understanding Kylo Ren. “If you were the product of those two people, two very strong personalities who seemed to be almost more committed to a cause than anything else, what’s that like?” he says. Ben Solo is born to privilege, yes, but also tremendous pressure. Driver likens the Skywalker–Solos to a royal family, and notes the isolating power of being born with those spectacular gifts: “How do you form friendships out of that? How do you understand the weight of that? . . . It can easily go awry.” Burdened by her own talents, Rey also feels that solitude. “It’s a bit lonely having that much on one’s shoulders,” Ridley says.

Though their shared childhood isolation set them on two very different paths, the Rian Johnson-directed Last Jedi showed Kylo and Rey finding kinship in each other. Ridley describes them as “two quite powerful people who feel.” Driver adds that his character “had been forging this maybe-bond with Rey. The Last Jedi ends with the question in the air: is he going to pursue that relationship more or, when the door of her ship goes up, does that also close that camaraderie? This idea of being alone.”

If Kylo is still questioning, Rey is, at least initially, more resolute. Ridley says that as The Rise of Skywalker begins, “Rey is less inclined to believe that Kylo potentially could redeem himself.”

Looking back over the long arc of nine films, it’s easy to see the Skywalker saga as not only a story about repairing fractured bonds and escaping repeated patterns of a specific bloodline, but also the families we create for ourselves. John Boyega’s Finn and Oscar Isaac’s Poe Dameron are both options of support for Rey as she tries to build something new out of the ashes of her first attempt to reach Kylo Ren. “It’s not about just one person,” Isaac says of how his character deals with the strain of leadership and heroism in The Rise of Skywalker. “[It’s about] reaching out to his family, and particularly Finn is his family.”

Ridley says Rey is also part of that relationship, but kept apart a bit due to her Force sensitivity. Will Kylo Ren and Rey reforge their own connection? And, if they do, will it be love or simply friendship that unites them? The answer, Driver says, is incredibly complicated: “I don’t think it’s any one thing. The strength in what Rian [Johnson] wrote and what J.J. [Abrams] wrote is it’s never all one thing.”
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The entirety of the “reylo” aspect pure editorializing and reads like a copy-paste of the average reylo meta.

The actual actor quotes, however, are very much what one could have expected.

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VF wrote it with significant input from the writer/director and actors. VF isn't a fan publication. Sorry if it's not going the way you wanted. VF even called some of this forum's current favorite theories "unsubstantiated".

The "average Reylo meta" has a long history of getting a lot of conjecture based on similar analysis right, while this forum is already 0 for 2 and heading for 0 for 3.

Now it's official product that had to have gone through Lucasfilm for approval chiming in saying the same.

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milena said: ↑

I think that photo is probably from the force flash fight in end of act I, or act II.
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Looks to me like this is the culmination of the film where they are fighting on the Death Star amongst the water. And then come face-to-face with Palps in whatever form. Someone brought up a good point on twitter that their battle on the Death Star could create some type of schism in the force that allows Palpatine to rise in the ruins. And then they have bigger problems on their hands and have to put aside their fight to face that threat. A little underwhelming but it makes sense.

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NileQT87 said: ↑

VF wrote it with significant input from the writer/director and actors. VF isn't a fan publication.
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I think you may be forgetting the TLJ VF piece and that writer’s dismissiveness regarding reylo.

Sorry if it's not going the way you wanted.
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Oh no - the actual actor commentary is right in line with what I’ve been thinking

VF even called some of this forum's current favorite theories "unsubstantiated".
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A theory is unsubstantiated by definition. If it were substantiated it would be fact, not theory.

The "average Reylo meta" has a long history of getting a lot of conjecture based on similar analysis right, while this forum is already 0 for 2 and heading for 0 for 3.
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You speak of self-evident stuff like “Kylo will have a redemption arc” and “Kylo and Rey share a significant connection” and “Rey and Kylo’s relationship will improve.”

I know all that. I’ve known all that since I first saw TFA. And that’s all utterly consistent with and supportive of reysky.

I can’t speak for most of this forum, as my view of the ST varies greatly from that of most other folks here.

Now it's official product that had to have gone through Lucasfilm for approval chiming in saying the same.
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Again - I advise re-reading the TLJ VF coverage. As well as other prior editorialized movie coverage.

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I think a lot of people need a reminder that this happened:

I'll take Daisy Ridley's word over the editorializing of some magazine writer.

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NileQT87 said: ↑

VF wrote it with significant input from the writer/director and actors. VF isn't a fan publication. Sorry if it's not going the way you wanted. VF even called some of this forum's current favorite theories "unsubstantiated".

The "average Reylo meta" has a long history of getting a lot of conjecture based on similar analysis right, while this forum is already 0 for 2 and heading for 0 for 3.

Now it's official product that had to have gone through Lucasfilm for approval chiming in saying the same.
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Reylos metas predicted Kylo turning good in TLJ. Reylo metas predicted Snoke abusing Kylo in his childhood (still do, despite no evidence and AD focusing on Kylo's awful parents, not on Snoke). Reylo metas predicted Kylo was the real hero of the story. TLJ told the opposite of all those predictions. Reylo accuracy is mostly overstated despite the fact that TLJ's writer is a pretty open reylo himself. Reylo was so ambiguous, I see evidence all over the place that shows average viewers didn't even pick up on it.

The actors in the article aren't saying anything that sounds like we're getting romantic reylo. What we have is a writer implying that through conjecture in an online world where reylo itself is clickbait. Their "maybe-bond" runs deeper than previously revealed. Hmm sounds like we're getting a plot development that explains the force bond in a way that's more substantive than "they were attracted to each other while Kylo was torturing Rey."

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No matter the editorializing, nothing the actors themselves are quoted as saying hints at romance.

Which would be bizarre in the context of a trilogy centered on a reylo romance.

As for Daisy’s SWCC interview...imagine Emma Watson telling an interviewer in the lead-up to the live-action BatB that she “can’t get behind” the romantic pairing in that movie.

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Lev Grossman of VF said he has no spoilery knowledge about where their relationship is going despite trying to get it out of AD and DR. He said he "hopes" it goes further. So I wouldn't read much into it. VF is even re-using quotes from years ago which says to me they don't have much to go on and there's a lot of fluff and filler.

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I don't know why but their position is really awkward to me, especially Rey's. She doesn't seem to attack Kylo, it looks more like she's attacking someone else. Maybe it was photoshopped ?

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