ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

Is that hot Twi’Lek Sith lady going to be in Episode 9? Take my money lol

 

Given that there has been absolutely nothing in either movie pointing to Rey Kenobi, it would mean nothing to Rey as a character, and it would mean nothing to a huge portion of the GA... I personally have that on my "don't even have to worry about" theory list.

 

Honest question. Do you feel that VIII moved in the directions you expected after what you felt was set up in VII? Also, did you see signs that Sidious would be back? Do you see that as relevant to Rey currently? Again, I’m just genuinely curious about these questions because I’m not familiar with your thoughts on these topics yet.

 

Who cares what people’s track records are? Everyone is allowed to share theories regardless of whether they end up being right or not.

 

Nobody said anyone wasn’t allowed to theorize. My point is that if someone assumes that Rey will just go down to the end of the saga as the random force downloader and that’s all there is to her story, or someone else thinks a fairly popular theory hasn’t been set up by anything previously, I’m at the very least curious what they feel actually has been setup and how much they feel this trilogy as a whole has been planned/setup in general.

 

Yeah, no, wasn't that smugness issue already addressed?
We've had extensive discourse on various threads, and I've talked at length about my feelings about what has been set up, both in general in conversations you were active in and specifically responding to you. I'm not going to be baited into a theory ******* contest.

 

This is gonna be the longest week ever until we get "decent content" from D23.

 

I’m not being smug as I talk with you here. I’m genuinely curious. You and I have primarily discussed the Rey & Kylo Ren dynamic and your issues with how it was presented in VIII. I know & remember that. I do not know or remember your opinion on the ST thus far as a whole, or your opinion on what “more to her story” will mean in IX, or your opinion on the planning so far so was curious about that since you commented on setups.

 

We saw Rey and Luke together. I guess we saw Snoke finish Kylo's training. It was a bit of surprise the way it went down, but that's what the TFA set up.

Luke drops his name in Ep8 and this is a Star Wars movie. So that's a big sign. Also rumors had George Lucas talking to Hamill, Fisher, and McDirmid about being in the new movies in the earliest rumors. Also there might be a plot thread in that discussion about life after death in RotS.

If Darth Sidious really is still around that is relevant to Rey and every other Star Wars character.

 

I can tell you my thoughts/theory on this. Please note I could be 100% wrong.

Abrams wanted her to be 'somebody'

Johnson didn't and did everything he could to 'subvert expectations'

Abrams will try to find a happy medium between the two of these

I very much doubt by the end though that she will be some random 'force downloader' but neither do I think she will be a direct descendant of a popular character either.

 

Rian was right in the sense that JJ was following the OT too closely for comfort.

If there was any mistake done in TLJ, is giving the director a story which was founded on the bases of a simplistic hero/villain/"chosen one" story. A very enjoyable story which I liked, but in this century we should want more than that.

While I liked the subversion of expectations, I will love to see JJ finding a happy medium. It will be the best end result.

 

She’s way more likely to be a Kenobi right now than a Skywalker (no chance) or Solo (small chance). Ultimately I think she will remain a nobody who’s family was impacted in some way by Sheev.

 

Still think there's a decent chance that the hero of the final third of The Skywalker Saga just might be, you know, a Skywalker. Crazy theory, I know.

 

That's way too out there. It's obvious Rey is only in the story as a prop for wittle Bennie boo.

 

One of the hero’s will be a Skywalker, I’m 95% confident in that. Maybe not a “hero” but he will have a heroic act.

 

ReySky, huh? See I asked because I genuinely didn’t know.

 

I'm still betting that Rey is the outcome of Sidious messing with the midichlorians in the same way he did when he created Anakin.

 

For me, set up is important. However, I can live with something not being properly set up if the payoff is good. Unfortunately, Rey Kenobi fails on both fronts. Obi Wan as a character has not been set up at all in the ST (6 words that are not even ever accredited to Obi Wan in story; zero mention by name despite multiple opportunities to do so; zero appearances despite a prime opportunity for one in TLJ). More importantly, though, is that there is no payoff for Rey as a character. First of all, she cares about her parents, not a grandparent who died more than 30 years before she was born. For her to lineage reveal to be here is some info about your parents and here is the important info about your grandparents is not a logical progression of her journey. Second of all, learning that her grandfather and her enemy's grandfather were once friends and then fought each other does not change her relationship with Kylo Ren or any other character in this trilogy. It is an interesting fact, but it provides no meaningful character development. Your ancestors having relationships with someone else's ancestors does not suddenly give you an instant connection to that person. That's just not the way normal human interactions work. Even on the meta level, this reveal falls short. It doesn't enrich the Skywalker story, but rather transforms it into the Kenobi-Skywalker story. Since the previous 8 episodes were not presented as that story, it bastardizes the story in it's final chapter.

As I have mentioned many times, my preference is for a Rey Solo reveal (though I also would be happy with a Rey Skywalker reveal). On the set up level, a Skywalker/Solo reveal definitely could have been done better IMO. However, the set-up has absolutely been there in both movies through Rey's interactions with the Skywalker family. TFA and TLJ both presented an instant connection between the characters that could be recontextualized as a "force recognition" of a lost child. There's other subtle hints that have been pointed out before, but I don't have time to get into specifics now. Where this reveal really shines (and absolutely blows the Kenobi reveal away) is in what it brings to the character relationships. It instantly gives Rey a connection to her antagonist that is deep and meaningful. It instantly gives Kylo Ren a sympathetic backstory, something he desperately needs. It instantly gives Rey a connection to her mentors in the force, Leia and Luke. It instantly gives Rey new struggles, as she must deal with the loss of the father who she knew for a just day and as she comprehends her antagonist being her brother. If Palpatine is tied into ripping their family apart, than it develops that battle as well. In sum, it enriches almost every key relationship in this trilogy. To add to this, it also works better than the Kenobi reveal on the meta level. For one, it maintains the saga as the Skywalker Saga, rather than trying to transform it into something else in the last 15 minutes of this 20+ hour journey. Secondly, as thematically interesting as it might be to have Kenobi and Skywalker battle Palpatine, the meta commentary on the light and dark descendants of Anakin fighting Palpatine is much richer and in keeping with the overall themes of the 9-part saga.

 

The good thing about Rey’s setup right now is that she’s been established now as someone who heard the Star Wars story and the main players as a child and loves the entire story. So, if her family connects to the story’s history and the major players it will function as some minor wish fulfillment for her even just on that basis alone. As an epilogue moment it can be implied that learn more about that person in the end and grows her relationship to her family’s history over time.








I also think Zorri could be key in the abandonment situation more.

 

Something along those lines seems the most likely to me.

Rey might even be another Chosen One. Chosen / created by the Force or through Sidious's manipulation. It makes her cosmic or Force equivalent of Anakin's sister or half sister. Maybe even Anakin reincarnated on some level. So another Skywalker in a way.

If these movies are still echoing and mirroring the each trilogy, you'd have Anakin's special heritage revealed in the first chapter and Rey's in the last.

 

Blech. There’s only one concept artist that rivals Ryan Church in terms of how much I dislike most of their work, and that’s Ian McCaig. Maul being one of his few worthwhile creations. Otherwise, he always threatens to bring Star Wars down to the level of trashier IPs. His hot Sith Twi’lek being a great example of his non-Star Warsy impulses.

All IMO of course.

 

Hi guys. I’ve been away all weekend.

Any new news, since D23 is just next weekend?

 

To be fair, McCaig didn't create the "hot Sith Twi'Lek", that was John Ostrander and Jan Duursema. Though he was apparently (and by apparently I mean clearly and obviously) inspired by the character.

 

Yeah, but he drew the above concept art. His interpretation of the character is what I don’t like. And his interpretation of most other Star Wars concepts. Anyway, I could go on. But I won’t. Because if I do, @Darth Chiznuk is gonna show up with his jokes.

 

We might be getting a Saga trailer at D23