ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

People assumed it in context. I know a lot of Reylo conversations are built on ignoring context, but for some of us, context is key to understanding. Her point when she discussed it was that she couldn’t support Reylo because Kylo is evil. Just calling Reylo “emotional” and stopping there doesn’t fit her point and it also doesn’t fit her tone of voice. She trailed off and left a thought unfinished mid-sentence.

 

This.

 

Idk seems to me she's saying the reason she can't get behind it is because it's toxic, not that she can't support because other people think it's toxic.

 

And it goes both ways..

 

Agree to disagree. Strongly lol.

 

Let's switch it up.

- Finn/redeemed Hux
- closeted Poe/closeted Rose
- Rey/herself like the asexual legend she is
- Kylo/Connix before they find out - much to their horror - that they're siblings

Unproblematic ships only.

 

I want to know what's going on with Maz and Chewie.

 

I will say seeing Darth Rey and depending how that plays out, I could buy into Reylo. But really only if it's in the sense that she used to be a dark jedi/sith and had her memory erased and anyone who knew of her thought she was mad so her returning still looking the same causing some confusion and red flags, that they all seemed to be hinting at in TFA.

That said it's probably not the KoToR storyline like I want it to be, and just a vision. Though it is also possible if they find a way for both Rey and Kylo to access the portal that Palpatine was desperate for in the last season of Rebels that they change things for the other one since it essentially gives those there a puppet master kind of access to varies points.

 

Wasn't there talk of a scene between Maz and Leia that was deleted? might be brought back

 

Leia/Holdo
Connix/the blue droid

 

I totally like the idea of Rey having been evil and suffered a mind wipe. That would be sweet. Still don’t like Reylo because the development is garbage imo, but that as a story for Rey herself would be badass. Seems unlikely, though, because it’s so convoluted. Convoluted isn’t bad to me, but it seems to be a dirty word.

 

Hadn't heard that, but would be cool. We haven't seen Maz yet in any footage. I'd love to see her in an action scene too.

 

I don't like Reylo in the present context of where they both are at. But if they were both evil and together in the past, I could be okay with it in that context. And if Rey did have her mind wiped and is getting her memories back seeing how she deals with that and the choices she makes would be interesting. Where as right now there is no rhyme or reason to it. Other then we are all clearly in two camps of what we saw on screen. Some of us saw abuse and are not okay with that as a relationship. And others saw chemistry.

 

I don't see how they could've been together in the past, memory wipe or no, unless suddenly we're going to pretend she faked scraping a mark on the wall every day.

 

What's this "hard evidence" in TLJ ?

That's understandable. While I had problems with Kylo's character arc in TFA and not being a Reylo, I didn't have any problems with its fans besides some occasional disagreements about story directions so I don't know the full context behind why this topic was banned for awhile. However, if Reylo does end up really happening, I wouldn't throw a fit. Since there's not a lot of Reylos in this thread, could you tell us what Reylo would bring to SW and whether you think Kylo to be a relatable character? What would be your ideal ending for them?

 

Hypothetically it could easily be manipulated that she was placed in some sort of stasis. And the person who placed her made it seem as life like as possible the marks the fake memories all of that. Not expecting the First Order or anyone to come knocking on her door to wake the side of her up. But as we learned in Kotor the force always finds a way. Revan was in stasis I believe it was a full year, leading everyone to believe he was dead before they woke him up. He was supposed to be going to work out the rest of his days farming or something but events transpired the work that the Jedi at the time had done, became undone. However Revan didn't go back to the dark side because he was no longer under the control of the dark Sith artifacts like Malik.

 

So it's Inception? And people think Rey related is too hard to explain.

 

I don't view it as inception. Playing with someone's mind and memories is something Jedi and Sith alike have done since they've existed. I mean we all love the Jedi mind trick but it is something as simple as altering a persons memory. It's a hypothetical and I doubt they took anything from a video game but a girl can dream.

 

I like it. I think it’d be simple to say she was given created memories. It would explain everything about her skills.

Problem is, I don’t think TLJ did anything to set it up. But of course, that is not unique to this theory lol.

 

The woman’s scream Luke hears in Ben’s memory that Rey also hears when the cave calls to her.

 

Only the Father did a memory wipe to make Anakin forget about his brief fall to the darkside in canon. He's neither a Jedi or Sith and he and his children don't look like mortals either.

 

I don't personally like the mind wipe idea, especially that Rey has a bunch of fake implanted memories. It makes VII and VIII pointless, as everything we saw in those movies about Rey's past would be a lie. I don't mind recontextualizing what we have learned so far, but I don't want to find out they everything was false. It also feels very disconnected from the rest of the saga (unless I am missing some key component of this theory - I'm not familiar with the source it is being based on).

 

Episode IX is once again, a different story direction than the previous.

J. J. Abrams: "It was a completely unknown scenario. I had some gut instincts about where the story would have gone. But without getting in the weeds on episode eight, that was a story that Rian [Johnson] wrote and was telling based on seven before we met. So he was taking the thing in another direction. So we also had to respond to Episode VIII. So our movie was not just following what we had started, it was following what we had started and then had been advanced by someone else."
J. J. Abrams: "The story that we’re telling [with Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker], the story that we started to conceive when we did The Force Awakens was allowed to continue. Episode VIII didn’t really derail anything that we were thinking about."
J. J. Abrams: “When I was doing [Episode] VII, I was obviously focusing on the story and Larry Kasdan who I wrote VII with and I had a lot of ideas of where the story would go. And when I ended up not doing VIII, was not going to do IX, it was – Kathy Kennedy was overseeing the trilogy – I will say that there were things I was very excited about and desperate to do that I couldn’t get to in Episode VII that we got to do in this one.”
Simon Pegg: “Well I know…I know what J. J. kind of intended [for Rey’s parentage] or at least what was being chucked around. I think that’s kind of been undone slightly by the last one [in Star Wars: The Last Jedi]. I don’t know. I. Don’t. Know.” “[So it was going to be different parents for Rey when you were on set chit-chatting?] Well there was some talk about you know a kind of relevant lineage for her. But I honestly don’t know [now]. I don’t know if anybody knows, you know. We shall see.”
Daisy Ridley: “[Rey and Kylo Ren are] not at all [a couple], it’s that simple. The Last Jedi gave me a different feeling. The audience’s view of Kylo Ren will change. Rey thinks he can be redeemed, and she understands him, I’m glad they can come to this kind of understanding, but in the end Kylo is scum, so I think… (interrupted by Mark Hamill) (copies Hamill’s joking tone) ‘[Kylo]’s just lonely.’ So i think i can understand why fans would think this way, but i don’t support it.”
Daisy Ridley: “I do know about Reylo. I don’t know how I feel about it because everyone’s talking about like the toxic thing of a relationship when it’s like it’s essentially emotional...It’s a tricky…road. I do feel like deep down Kylo [Ren] like thinks what he’s doing is right and he doesn’t think he’s wrong, but he has also killed so many people. So I can’t really get behind it, no, in a personal way, you know?”
Daisy Ridley: "I felt like…at the end [of Star Wars: The Last Jedi] I was like, ‘Ah this is strange’ because it sort of feels like a finish but then we have another film to do and then J. J. [Abrams] figured out a way to take the story in such a different direction."
Daisy Ridley: “I mean [Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker is] very different [from Star Wars: The Last Jedi]. I can’t give you the ending, ’cause that would ruin the next few months! (smiles)” ” It’s just a different story [from the last episode]. It’s a different route. We went down like more of an…I genuinely didn’t know what I was gonna get when I read the script and then the script like it’s changed.” “It’s just a new [story] direction. (smiles)”

 

Each movie is built upon the ones that preceded it. They can re-contextualize the relationship but JJ/Chris Terrio can't ignore the set up just like TLJ was built upon what TFA established. That's why we'll still have Force skype scenes (which will apparently be more extreme than what RJ showed) and Rey and Kylo's relationship will evolve from where it ended in TLJ whether we like it or not.