ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

TLJ ignored what was set up. Ergo, JJ/Chris Terrio can (but likely won't) do the same.

 

Well, given some time has passed between films, I’m guessing Rey has improved in being able to resist the force Skype connection, and instead of falling for another trap maybe she turns it around and baits Kylo into some sort of trap. Or she just uses the connection to see where and what Kylo is up to.

 

Every time I read about the story direction, I see someone trying to use that as proof of the next movie being whatever he/she would like.

What I interpret when reading all that is that probably stuff like the Force Skype, or Luke's projection, or separating Finn and Rey, was not what JJ intended, nor what the cast would have imagined. Same thing applies to TROS, in which JJ is emphasizing how the heroes will remain together, and where never seen before stuff happens, like Palpatine being alive and possessing Kylo.

Not sure how that fits with some of the strict story agendas here, but it all sounds different enough to me.

 

Not according to the Art of TLJ or the Story Group or JJ apparently. Going into "another direction" is not the same as ignoring the set up. What's your source that TFA ignored TFA.

 

Why do you assume that theories/ideas folks post are purely what they hope for and have no basis in analysis?

Seems a touch condescending.

 

Uh yeah, according to JJ. Going in "another direction" is yes, ignoring set up.

Also, I can have my very own opinions, and in my very own opinion, RJ ignored set up to a borderline unprofessional degree. But I'm sure you would be totally fine with JJ going in "another direction" but not ignoring set up in exactly the same way RJ did after his introduction to this trilogy. That's really all I'm saying.

 

I have no idea where they are taking Rey’s story in this, I’m still mostly leaning towards the dark Rey image just being part of a vision of some sort.

But if not it certainly opens up a whole lot of theories, some sort of Revenesque story, twins separated when they’re young, possession by Palpatine?

 

Aren't these boards enough proof? I tend to suspect someone is biased when everything, all of it, proves his/her pet theory. It also does not help how usually these same theories seem to be the only thing these guys care about and make the entire movie experience about it being correct.

 

I'm perfectly fine with JJ going in "another direction", I say bring it on and from what I've seen so far, he didn't ignore what RJ set up so we're good. I even believe him when he says that he's willing to take risks despite the return of OT nostalgia which makes somewhat sense since this is the last episode but was still one of my least favorite aspect of TFA. Overall, I'm optimistic so far.

 

The three seconds of Kylo and Rey fighting in the teaser for TROS was already better than the entire TFA lightsaber duel

 

I liked the TFA duel but now that Rey is no longer a novice, I'm expecting something more epic. I don't want to see PT choreography which was more elegant from a more civilized age. I want the ST duels to have their own identity.

 

I think if you are looking for a polished duel then yes they are. I think what I loved about the TFA duel was how unpolished it was and the raw intensity of it.

 

I love the raw fighting we have in the ST - full of emotion if lacking in technique (Kylos long reach and brawling make him a real tank and its great) I expect both Rey and Kylo to fight with passion and if we get a mid-fight kiss such as the one below so much the better!


Like you say the PT is fancy moves which look great but don't convey the emotion of a fight (I guess because Jedi of that time were trained to surpress emotion during duels)
The OT fights had the emotion but were a bit bland

 

.....yeah I don't think your getting a mid fight kiss...unless that really is Rey's Dark side clone.

 

TLJ itself. I guess it depends what level of ignored you mean. TLJ intentionally disregarded and specifically went out it's way to undermine the already quicksand-like foundation of TFA.

I don't see how they can. They only have Rey and Ren as far as we know and nothing has been built up to convey an actual style. JJ doesn't want the so-called "choreography" style that he doesn't seem to realize encompasses VI as well as I-III. ANH is a poor basis since the reality of production limited that which leaves TESB which story-wise is problematic as Vader only really bears down on an over-matched Luke for 40 seconds. That is what he basically used in TFA already where it's Ren one way for so many seconds then Rey the other way.

I couldn't agree less with that. In terms of pure emotion and intensity it's a no contest.

 

I am gonna say there will no be kiss between the 2 at all in the movie.

 

I’m starting to think that Matt Smith’s role really was cut to make way for a last minute idea that J.J. had to make the clone of Rey the dark sider Matt Smith was initially going to be who is willfully possessed by Sidious.

Perhaps J.J. realized late that having Ridley play the second part could have more dramatic weight than Matt Smith and thought it might play into her backstory more at the same time.

This would allow Dark Side Rey, as possessed by Sidious, to take on both Light side Rey and slowly changing Dark Side Ben Solo in the end.

Dark side Rey could also tempt Ben by seemingly being what the audience assumes is his dream version of Rey but he prefers the Light Side Rey. She could also tempt Rey to suggest that the longing she has sought for family is with her as a “sister” of sorts.

 

Or its just a vision.

 

Or it’s just a vision setting up what I said later.

 

I honestly have no idea what Dark Rey is. I don't think its a vision, but I also don't think it will be an actual character. They are not going to have Rey fighting Rey for the sake of the galaxy lol

 

Maybe - but I still hope
If we get more longing looks and UST like in TLJ then that is satisfying in itself. A kiss would just be the icing on the cake. The subtext and unspoken desires are what makes Reylo so compelling to me.

Their dynamic is quite different to Anakin and Padme, who just read out verbatim what they were feeling as soon as they meet at the start of AOTC. They later kissed a few times and even got married by the end. Although I still like Anidala, their explicit courtship scenes are not as fascinating as the implied Reylo courtship.

 

I personally think it is Palpatine, in Rey's head, fighting over control of her body.

 

Where can they take their duel and make it fresh and give it an edge? A flash fight would make it fresh, going from one location to the next but that doesn't give their motives any fresher...

Sibling rivalry?

 

I do not think there will be time to justify a kiss. it sounds like the relationship will be complicated. so you would need less complications to justify going that far.

There probably won't be time for that, given whats happening in the movie.

 

Why can't Sidious take over multiple people?