ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

i hope no clones. Having clones is the same as having time travel. It gives you limitless possibilities to get it 'right'...

my theory is that rey, is actually turned to the dark side...full throttle. But...Kylo is able to see in her transformation everything that is wrong with the dark side. This act enlightens him...and he casts his evil ways. Role reversal time where he is fighting to turn her back to the light...so they can defeat the big baddie (snoke/palpatine/plageuis..etc)...together.

 

I think evil Rey is a clone or a vision. Rey was definitely not trending towards the dark side at the end of TLJ.

 

I have a hard time believing that anything with a backdrop from the DS2 like this is placed at any point but the last act. Seems like the spot for it.

 

I just can’t see JJ showing us the final end-of-movie battle sequence this early.

 

I know that is the trouble with it.

 

Agreed. We know that Rey is on a journey with the trio for a good portion of the movie. In other words, Rey is Rey for most of the movie. All these other options sound like the story of an entire trilogy, not the final third of one movie.

 

If seemingly incorruptible Rey goes darkside, and seemingly irredeemable, patricidal Kylo makes it back to the light somehow, I think that could actually be a great way to wrap this up. Message being, no one is immune to the pull of dark thoughts/forces, no one is beyond the pull of light either. I like that!

Redemption for kylo and lightsaber through Rey's gut would be a pretty rad end. But I was one of the few people who thought DJ was the best part of TLJ so....

 

While it does have the epic feeling of a third act final showdown it's been said that the Jordan location is where the movie ends. I guess it's possible that Rey and Kylo duke it out at the DS2 location and then Rey flies to the Jordan location for the ending sorta like how Luke ended up back on the Endor moon in ROTJ but...my gut tells me that's not the case.

 

Whether it’s DS2 or Pasana, we’ve caught a glimpse of the showdown in marketing. And the TFA teaser showed Kylo in the woods on SKB. Very reminiscent of the shot of Kylo stalking on DS2 and igniting his saber.

I think DS2 is Act III. Probably we’re seeing the warm up before Kylo and Rey fight whatever Sheev possesses. Or something.

 

I use Poe's scarf as an indicator of timeline

On Pasana he has it round his neck - When you see them approaching the DSII wreck he has it tied around his arm as if he has been injured. So based on this I would say DSII scenes are after Pasana

 

I hope you'll give it another viewing. My thoughts on TLJ have changed overtime and what started out as a disappointing movie has turned into one of my favorites.

If you dislike reylo, view the movie with a different lense. For example, the shirtless scene was meant to be funny and uncomfortable. They gave him high pants on purpose. It was to make him NOT sexy to Rey or us.

The throne room is another scene that has a whole other level. He didn't kill Snoke to save Rey. He killed Snoke because he realized that Snoke was about to get what he wanted, thus making him worried that Han was right and he was about to become expendable. On first viewing, it seems he's worried about Rey, but if you watch the cuts carefully, you'll see that he's worried about himself.

As for why Rey wants to save Kylo, she's simply trying to insert herself into the story she thinks is happening. She desperately wants to be someone and she thinks that she can play Luke and save her version of Vader, Kylo. That's why Kylo tells her she has no part in this story, which at first viewing seems to be breaking the 4th wall.

I think the movie was made intentionally so that people will react differently depending on their POV which can change over time. I think AD was the one who commented that he liked how the movie didn't spell things out, meaning there are somewhat hidden interpretations to discover.

Give it a third shot and see if you can find interpretations that you find interesting.

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Let's split the difference. It's rumored that Rey and Kylo will be using the Force to seemingly, (only mentally?) hop from location to location as they fight. Maybe these flash fights start on the DS2 and then they hop to a different location, perhaps ending at the Jordan location? Then again Finn, Poe and the gang are seen at the DS2 location AND the Jordan location so...never mind.

 

Yup. Cut to the chase.

 

Let's just call everyone a Reylo that we don't agree with . Funny thing is people were bashing MSW for being a Reylo the other day, but based on the Teaser, everything he has said is true!

 

You're on the same page as me. I would go for this.

 

You think Rey acting disgusted at the sight of shirtless Kylo in high-waisted pants is “reylo”?

It sounds to me more like reylos claim everything under the sun to be “reylo,” and non-reylos just start to believe it after a while.

 

I think that scene was there to humanize Kylo to the audience.

 

I agree. I think it was supposed to be somewhat disarming both to us and to Rey.

 

Rian did everything possible to humanize Kylo. Reylo is the offshoot of that. A disgusted look at a shirtless Kylo was a warmup to his fingersex scene (how Rian himself has described it). It was trying to get the audience and Rey to buy-in to their intimate scene later on by trying to strip away the menace of Kylo.

Indeed it was.

Right - and for what purpose?

Rian loves him some Kylo. As a result he wanted him to appear justified in lashing out against Luke, sympathetic as much as possible, and line things up so he could get the girl as much as possible.

 

As I’ve said many times before - RJ’s “sex scene” analogy was a joke unless you think Luke/Vader was sexual.

(And you don’t think it was....right....?...)

 

I thought Dark Side Rey was Rey's mother at first...then I had to rewind to is that Rey?!

What I want to know is why Rey has a red scarf/wristband on her wrist while throwing the lightsaber around in the forest.

Btw, I can't wait to see that full training shot....hope it's in the movie.

I think Leia is watching Rey training in the forest...they have a talk Luke/Kylo/Han, what have you and that's when Leia gives Rey a hug.

I find it interesting that the trailer has a sequence of hands almost grasping, holding, and reaching towards people. That and touch/kiss on the face...very interesting. I'm probably over anazeling that, but still.

If the Rey/Kylo connect is not explained in the end...I would just so ticketed off.

Course I treated my family to the Prince Caspian movie....I don't think I'm over that movie yet...why did they have to ugh...

Oh the emperor is on Naboo?! Joy! I wanna see Naboo again.

 

Rian wasn't joking when he talked about the forced intimacy between the two. Almost every interaction between them in TLJ was like that.

And even that comment - the audience was laughing at him, not with him. I don't believe he was joking at all.



No - Luke/Vader wasn't sexual. How do we all know? Artistic intent. Lucas was clear on what he wanted for that relationship - and included it in the film. Rian was clear what he wanted in that relationship too - just didn't go there all the way (and in fact talked more about it afterwards than he showed on screen).

 

JW being a Reylo is true and has nothing to do with whether his rumors pan out. As was pointed out in that discussion, JW was quick to inaccurately paraphrase DR’s comments against Reylo and reassure his Reylo audience over it. His rumors are also heavily focused on Kylo, as opposed to the actual protagonist, which lines up with general Reylo sentiments. This film is about Rey based on the official marketing, but she’s an afterthought in what JW cares about.

 

I think Ward isn't even an enthusiast of Kylo's redemption...