Discussions EU Equivalent(s) to the Sequel Trilogy?

I actually have almost zip against the sequel trilogy we got, I'm just wondering what's the closest equivalent to a sequel trilogy in terms of being able to pass for, in context of release, a kind of equal to a theatrical sequel trilogy in sense of scale and importance. I'm aware of the similarities Dark Empire had with old plans of George Lucas, and I'm aware of the Legacy of the Force books and how they were likely the model for sequel trilogy-styled video games that never came out, so they're candidates, but I'm also taking importance to LucasFilm at the time of release and the sheer scale, and other such things into account, which most likely means that those two aren't the only candidates either. What are other candidates?

 

For the record, by "almost zip against", I just meant that I don't really have much against the sequel trilogy we got. I'm just kind of curious what would be the EU's closest thing to a sequel trilogy, or sequel trilogies, in terms of scale and importance and such. Thrawn trilogy, Dark Empire, Legacy of the Force, they all seem like strong contenders, but I'm not sure.

 

I would say Legacy of the Force is the Legends equivalent to the ST. The whole political situation of the GFFA with a new civil war as well as the plot point of a Skywalker descendant turning to the dark side is kind of similar.

It's also set in a similar time frame as the ST.

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You bring up a good point^^

 

It's way Dark Empire, especially considering the voice we hear in the last two teasers. If Rey goes to the dark side to destroy it from within, the circle would be complete and we now have reached peak Dark Empire remake.

 

Jedi Prince series aka Glove of Darth Vader, Lost City of the Jedi, etc. if you look close enough this book series has as much influence on the ST as Dark Empire had

Then there is the Thrawn Trilogy obviously as well as Jedi Academy trilogy of which elements made the cut. The New Rebellion too has elements that carried over when it comes to Lukes former student and politics. Crystal Star, JJk and YJK as well as NJO character pieces too minus an invasion. And only then you hit LOTF etc. And of course the Legacy comic paralells as well as some ancient paralells to KOTOR and TOTJ.

The EU had plenty of Sequel worthy and influencing material, the ST though is a condensed version and combination of a lot of EU plot ideas + new ideas and medieval myth turned modern myth thrown in.


It boils down to these questions:
-should the EU Sequel analogue be centric on the Big Three or the next generation as main cast?
-enemy born from older or younger generation?
-enemy forces tied to Empire of old or a new faction born out of the NR/GA/etc.?

 

Not EU but Myth etc. influences are amongst many others:

-Arthurian medieval myth (especially in TFA) (Excalibur lightsaber, castles, Avalon-esque Ach-To island, etc. I could go on a lot about this)
-they stole plenty ideas from Tolkien and Lord of the Rings, especially The Two Towers for TLJ copying the battle of helms deep down to the savior appearance.
-again Akira Kurosawa was heavily used as were other famous movies and stories
-... more later

 

Well, I'd say the New Jedi Order series was the sequel trilogy of the EU, in the sense of being the epic coming-of-age struggle for the fate of the galaxy for the next generation, that the civil war was for the Original Trilogy generation.

 

And the Legacy vol. 1 comics are the finale that ties everything together. Or does the best job of that anyway.

 

Actually now that you've mentioned the Legacy comics, the Twilek Sith Lady appeared as one of the Jedi hunters in the production artworks for TFA and Vol. 2 was very similar in parts to the movie...

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Tobias Beckett seems akin to A.C. Crispin's character of Garris Shrike in her Han Solo Trilogy (which is probably my second favorite EU material, after Zahn).

 

Some EU characters shouldn't have equivalents, and should just be brought over. I am glad that at least Thrawn, written by Zahn himself, is part of the Disney canon. But Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Bria Tharen (well, can't do her anymore), Gaeriel Capiston, Isolder etc...don't need equivalents.

 

That occurred to me too, but the differences are as big as the similarities. Beckett was an affably evil sleazebag, with a personality that was just charming enough that you were surprised and hurt when he stabbed you in the back. Shrike was a card-carrying thug and bully who never bothered pretending to be anything but a card-carrying thug and bully and probably couldn't have even if he'd cared to.

Basically, one of them's Lex Luthor, the other's... Gargamel.

 

With Shrike, I think he was a mixture of Fagin and Bill Sykes from Oliver Twist.

 

I totally agree there. Shrike had the criminal "cunning" of Fagin and the violence/temper of Bill Sykes.

 

I disagree on Shrike being 100% a thug and bully. He certainly was, but he knew how to play the con game (which requires charm and charisma). As I recall, Shrike's starship Trader's Luck, ran numerous scams in "high society" with various "classic" ways of tricking people out of their money. He was largely a bully, but he was a functioning sociopath who knew how to charm people out of their hard earned credits.

 

Come to think of it, you're not wrong.

I suppose the difference is in the point of view - Shrike is seen from the point of view of Kid-Han, with whom Shrike rarely had to bother to be anything other than a bully. Beckett is seen from the point of view of Adult-Han, who's still something of a rookie but is still a junior partner, not a child.

Though I can't imagine Shrike's nice side ever extending long enough to have the kind of relationship Beckett had with Val.

 

Didn't Shrike have a brother?

 

You make an excellent point about Kid-Han vs Young Adult-Han. In fact, IIRC, at the end of Paradise Snare, part of Young-Han's "coming of age" arc is that he kills Shrike (or, doesn't so anything to prevent him from dying?): the 18 year old delivers payback to his childhood bully. It was part of his transition from "childhood."

I agree that I can't see Shrike's nice side extending to anything resembling even a relatively stable relationship.

 

Episode VII: Heir to the Empire
Episode VIII: Dark Force Rising
Episode IX: The Last Command
Episode X: Vector Prime
Episode XI: Star by Star
Episode XII: The Unifying Force

 

Thrawn Trilogy
Dark Empire
Jedi Academy Trilogy
Vong War
Legacy

 

The closest equivalent the EU has to the sequel trilogy would be the Dark Empire Trilogy and the Legacy of the Force. In fact, the sequel trilogy is basically a combination of the two (Palpatine returning; a more powerful superweapon than the Death Star; another Skywalker serving the Dark Side; the Republic nearly brought to its knees; a Solo kid turning to the dark side; the Solo kid killing a member of his family; a Solo kid overthrowing the leader of a government and taking his place (Caedus-Cal Omas; Kylo-Snoke).

 

In my Opinion is the New Jedi Order because it feels more Epic and important and its like 20 Novels for a Single Story

 

This Fan Trailer is Very Good about how a New Jedi Order Trailer Movie could looks like

 

I would say the Yuuzhan Vong invasion is a great post-ROTJ story. It's just so unexpected and it challenges all of the characters. It also makes Jacen into a complex, brave, and intriguing hero, and this would have gone a long way to making his fall to the dark side as Darth Caedus convincing. One of the odd things about the Sequel Trilogy was them simply introducing Kylo Ren as a darksider and his motivation for becoming one was poorly written. While there were some inconsistencies in Jacen's motivation to join Lumiya's Sith in the original EU, one could use one's imagination to more easily ignore it, ya know, since it was in novels.

I also believe Cade Skywalker's story in Star Wars: Legacy is an awesome tale. It connects to the prequel era well due to the machinations of Darth Krayt. I am one who believes Darth Krayt was one of the greatest of the Sith. Some don't like his name, but I think it's fine. He's a crafty planner and one of the rare Sith who could give Sidious a run for his money. I like the moral ambiguity of the series, and it is one hell of an adventure.