ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

*lifts mask, reveals Rian Johnson's face*

 

It all sounds very fitting to the ST.

 

I've said this before the answer is because they were one of the interesting elements of the ST that weren't explored. Instead of focusing on new ideas with the ST they kinda retread the ground of the OT in slightly altered ways. The KNIGHTS OF REN had potential to be turned into something new and different, the BEYOND could have been explored and exposed some new ideas to Star Wars. JJ talked up the Knights of Ren and said they have an interesting story, all i'm saying is if they just use them as Snoke's guards pt 2 then why even bring them into the picture at all? We already saw that in the last movie.

 

Ben Solo dying is what bums me out. It would have been nice to have a redemption that plays out well in the end. Literally all the Skywalker fam is dead, and it's dark as hell that the son of Han and Leia is dead in this. Obviously he did awful things but it'd be nice to see true redemption and him be alive and stay on the good side.

 

I'm more fascinated with the dyad concept at this moment in time. There will be plenty of time after to judge how effective it was a storytelling element. The concept of the Force using this dyad when it finds it necessary is interesting. Not so much for Rey and Kylo, but perhaps in the past.

I mean you have Anakin Skywalker showing up on the scene, the chosen one. Surely he would have been one of the dyad at that point in the saga. So, who was his Force Twin? Sidious? That would be so interesting to put that together, which would explain the incredible power of Sidious in order to destroy the Jedi and for Darth Vader to be as powerful as he is.

The concept of The Chosen one, might change from Messiah born from Virgin birth to really it being Dyad meeting Dyad.

 

But he gets a “offscreen death.”

It’s possible with the leaks, he could show up in extended material post-movie

 

It's without a doubt the most interesting idea in the ST.

@cerealbox

Yeah but I don't care about extended material. My love for Star Wars exists in the movies. If he dies there he dies there to me. I want to see these things play out on screen not in some comic a year from now by someone who didn't even work on the movie.

 

Yeah. Agreed. I think a more interesting story would have been introducing Kylo in EP 7 as already the defacto force leader/master. Once he split from Luke's group, and took half the Jedi (angels) with him, he was the top dog. The KOR then follow him around. He trains them in the dark side, etc. You almost wouldn't even need him being a part of the FO, or even have a Snoke character at all. They could just be their own dark sider group, trying to find answers to the great mysteries, becoming more powerful and setting up a new Force Order as a group. Then Palpatine returns and changes the game.

 

Yes, it was hinted that it would kill her... But Force projection seems to be a thing in this movie as well and now there's no Snoke around...

 

See I love the ST I think it's solid honestly but it's annoying for me how some slight changes could have made it so much better. What you said is far more interesting than we got. If Kylo never had a master, if he was the leader from the beginning. If the Knights of Ren were Luke's students and a bunch of force users were controlling the galaxy. If in the second movie he finds out about a dark user that's still alive and he goes off to end them so he can truly be the last. Like I don't know how fans like us can make a far more UNIQUE and interesting concept for the ST than actual hollywood writers.

Again this isn't a knock at the ST, I like it but they literally just took OT framework and rejigged it a bit here and there.

 

So apparently Palpatine gets rejuvenated and taken out all in a relatively short and anticlimactic manner. Rey simply reflects lightning back at him and he explodes; Jason Ward is now saying that he believes the Force ghost component to be cut, barring some voices of encouragement. So if Palpatine realizes that Rey is reflecting his lightning back at him, why does he continue firing it? Uh, logic? He doesn't have any other powers at his disposal? The lightning duel in the Windu fight had a purpose, to show Anakin a supposedly weakened and desperate Sidious. He didn't explode from it either.

If Matt Smith played a younger Palpatine in an earlier cut, why did they decide to discard what would have presumably been a far more involved final battle?

 

Then what happens? Does Ben Solo save himself (rebirth), so Rey can say, "Good job, Ben!" Or does he hang on the precipice, and Rey pulls him out, thus saving his life? "Let it go, Ben. Let it go." And then they kiss?

 

I kinda believe the rumors that JJ is just throwing this information out there to get an idea on what they want to use. TFA had leaks, and Rise had leaks but not TLJ. I find it odd..... TFA originally had the hand in space opening, then people hated that idea and it got changed. I wonder if JJ is using the audience to get ideas.

Cutting it close. Hey, JJ....if you're listening. Give Palps a lightsaber and have a battle actually happening WITH Rey and Ben, you can have Luke and Leia appear to the two of them to encourage them but...... let the Dyad actually fight Palps.

 

I must say Rey's torrent app is amazing. To download FG Yoda's ability to accumulate and redirect lightnings is impressive.

 

Nothing ever leaves Lucasfilm. They don't even do outside test screening.

 

This would have been the best ending. Palps de-ages to a youthful version of himself with a lightsaber. You have the palpatine we know and love in the movie as is why not do something fun with it to make the movie even more crazy. Matt Smith is a young Palps and Rey AND Ben fight against him.

 

I listened to what Ward was saying, it's pretty much all speculation. I'm going to, go on a limb, and say we're missing some significant beats....

I don't think it's Rey deflects lightning back at Palp, he blows up, she leaves. Just a hunch, there are story beats in between those...

 

The Seventh Sister stopped Ezra from moving in Rebels and the Inquisitors are weak compared to experienced master force users (Vader, Maul, Ahsoka) so saying that doesn't help Kylo's case. He's above Inquisitor level sure but he can't even touch any of the Sith so I don't buy this whole ''He's special'' nonsense. We've been shown nothing that justifies Luke saying that he's never ''seen such raw strength only once before''.

 

Oh, id love to witness Palpatine NOPE screeching and spinning once again. The best way to tie up all trilogies.

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You're right Lucasfilm doesn't but .....Bad Robot? It's no coincidence that both JJ Abrams movies leaked out a ton of info and Rian's didn't.

 

I don't pay attention to TV shows. They just insert stuff willy nilly. Vader couldn't even stop lasers from moving, Vader didn't stop people from moving in any of the movies he was in...does that make him weaker than inquisitors in a tv show? Kylo literally force choke pulled an officer to him....I think it's weird to claim he's not powerful. Luke makes note of how dangerously powerful he was in TLJ I don't think Luke would be so damn fearful if it wasn't true.

 

I doubt anything has come out of Bad Robot.