ST The New Definitely Not Improved Even More Horrible Than The Last Two Rumors Thread

I happily disagree mostly because she reverts back to the “Kylo failing Kylo” at the end after he was given the opportunity to not be an petulant ass and help the resistance escape and she realized that he was a lost cause shutting the door on him.

As for that I’m baaaack up to date! More catch up thoughts:

- Babu Frik looks adorable and I sort of hope he doesn’t speak A spoken language and has a cutesy jibberish that will for me make him an instant classic.

-interesting reads from Empire Magazines and other excerpts. I think they’ll really focus on the Rey parentage. I agree with most others in that it should’ve been done and dusted in TFA and JJ really has no one to blame but himself and his love with mystery boxes.

-I’m not fussed with Palpatine coming back. It works for me given he was the central villain of PT/OT although I was excited for Ben to take that slot after TLJ. Ian chews scenery so I’m sure he’ll be...electrifying mwahaha.

-I think I hate the Palpatine reveal. I just can’t think of a way where it feels organic where I can see Rey Random or even Resky working better.

-I’m not much of a conspiracist but part of me thinks maybe Iger/KK had a ground rule of no solo/Skywalker as the main protagonist so that once IX was wrapped up they could move on from Skwalkers and co and all the expectation that comes with that so to speak.

-the Praetorian fight in TLJ was amazing and one of my favourites from the saga. Just love the setting, the dirty aggression and dynamic. I don’t care if the choreography isn’t perfect (I never noticed) it looks cool as hell.

-I still think Rey will end up a legit Skywalker and some of the additional shooting is to film those super secret scenes.

Now for some sleep so I can come back to 500 new replies on how TLJ caused climate change! Seriously outside of watching the movie for the first time this is my favourite time of year when rumours and speculation really ramp up! Thanks guys

 

Yeah, I'm skeptical the trolls had much impact on the Captain Marvel box office. I was so disappointed in the movie, as my second-favorite Marvel character other than Steve Rogers (and a fan of the two director's prior stuff to boot), but it did fine success-wise. Just turned out pretty unfocused & blahh in terms of quality.

But yeah, we've already seen that those types of tactics didn't effect Star Wars box offices last time around, it won't here either with tRoS.

 

Well hopefully it changes the context that Rey Palpatine is not truly Rey Palpatine... The rest of the leaks I can certainly work with lol.

I do think it's interesting that they are doing top secret reshoots in addition to having potentially 9 different versions of various scenes... I don't think that's a bad thing though, I think JJ is acutely aware that he needs to make the best possible version of this film to make the sequel trilogy work and that's just a reflection of the effort that he is putting into it.

Maybe I'm overly optimistic but I think the current reshoots that they are doing were, at least in part, always planned for certain plot points that they did not want to risk leaking early.

 

It made $1.1 billion. This is beyond presumptuous lol.

CM was a totally unknown property and yet it made bank. It can be criticized on all sourts of grounds subjectively, but its financial success really cannot be.

And anecdotally, in my circle people liked it. "Meh" would be more like the Antman films because there was nothing to say about them. People wanted to talk about Captain Marvel.

Putting aside the way people hyper focus on CM to nitpick or overpraise it, because that's boring, I think there is a bigger disconnect in Marvel between old school Marvel fans, that have been on board since before the first Avengers movie, and people late to the party/that prefer the cosmic storytelling realm. I see it with my sister. We don't fight about it like people on the internet do, but her preferences are for the older stuff and mine for the newer, basically everything post-GotG. We still see everything together though.

 

It could be more like scene's showing: it's a complete lie(she is a random), it's completely true, or she is "from a point of view.

But, they all relate to Rey being a Palpatine

I also get a feeling that the reshoots, for the most part, probably not that 'dramatic'. But, thats speculation on my part...

 

Is that how he gets off the Endor moon?

 

He’s closer to being the Venn diagram of 1970s & 1980s Brian De Palma (who was an integral part of ANH), modern Christopher Nolan, Sam Peckinpah, John Cassavettes, Mike Leigh & John Huston.

 

This is correct. Also, Luke at the very least pled down to the charge of Misdemeanor Being a Poor Master. Then presumably Force Probation Officer Yoda taught him how to make amends.

 

Rob Reiner?

Not seeing the comparison there at all.

 

Oh I don't know Ahsoka...I'm an old school Marvel fan (comics-wise, since around 6-7 years old), and as far as adaptation to the screen I think they've done a great job. I actually even liked Edward Norton's portrayal of Banner/Hulk.

My worry was how they were going to adapt the more grounded stuff into the cosmic stuff - but it worked out just fine in my opinion.

Or were you talking strictly movie fans with no comic background into the characters?

 

Seems that way, it also could be how he gets there. Since he just seems to magically appear

It doesn't make sense that Rey even needs a ride, she came with Finn/Poe. She would tell them to leave with no way of getting off?

I think that part of the story is a bit unclear....

Also, JW saids the Han scene may not happen at Endor. It happens when Kylo is looking at Vaders mask....

If kylo can do this: it throws into question his death as well. Throwing someone down a pit, who can teleport, seems pretty worthless...

 

@Aximili86, the comp would've made more sense if RJ hadn't cut his diner scene.

 

Ehhh I wouldn’t exactly call it an unknown property. She was definitely a lesser known character of the MCU but she was marketed at the end credits scene of Infinite Wars as pivotal to resolving the Thanos situation. Her inclusion and the timing of her inclusion came with some very big implications. It was a really clever marketing strategy.

I think if that scene hadn’t of happened it may have gone a bit more towards an Ant Man type BO return.

In saying that you’re absolutely right - the movie made bank and anyone staying otherwise is factually wrong.

 

Good point. Jedi Praxis had no idea how Ben Solo came back to Exogol and that could be it, some kind of pay off for the constant interactions Rey and Kylo have during the movie, with the necklace grabing and the moment Rey successfuly attacks Kylo while he's in his Star destroyer as set up.

Couldn't the more exotic flash fights reports, with settings from the entire saga revisited, have come from a misunderstanding based on the lars homestead making an appearance ?

 

That's what I really hate about this plot twist, I'm picturing Palpatine banging some poor woman. "It was good for me, was it good for you?".

 

Personnally, it brings back memories from the Star wars paper RPG in the 90's. The entry for the Twi'leks mentionned rumors that Palpatine had a secret twi'lek harem in his palace. Maybe Rey has some lekku hidden in her buns...

 

You made my day. Now i imagine Palps meeting with Jabba sometime during the OT as he did with Xizor during Shadows of the Empire with both of them talking about their respective harems

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At least, we'll get some good Robot chicken shorts out of it.

"Ladies, Papa Palpatine is back !"

 

It would seem there is an easter egg on the cover of The Empire magazine with Reylo...

Obi Wan and Vader....No Palpy...

 

I'm just talking about MCU fans. Between my sister and I, I'm the one that reads comics, not her.

It's not like it's a huge war or anything, it's just something I've picked up with some people I know and some conversations I've encountered online. There is a contingent of Marvel fans that really came on board after GotG and the cosmic stuff started, that weren't super active prior to that.

Well agree to disagree. Almost no one in my normal offline world had the slightest idea who this character is. Being hinted at in a post credit scene doesn't magically make everyone aware of her character. More like people asked their family member that reads comics who the hell that was referring to.

Antman had a film that made far less between IW and Endgame. That movie also set up Endgame and was a much more known property as a sequel. I find this critique of CM's box office totally vapid tbh, like a refusal to give it any credit.

 

I'm not seeing it, like at all... I think this person is seeing what they want to see, I don't really see Kenobi or Vader there at all...

 

I’m definitely all for more cosmic stuff in the marvel films. The GOTG films were great but I would probably say it’s not until the last handful of movies that I really became invested in the MCU. The last Thor film, IW, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, and Endgame. The early films are ok, but didn’t really hook me, and some were kind of bad.

But yeah, more guardians, more Captain Marvel, Nova, and who ever else for me.

 

The first Phase is definitely the weakest, IMO. I think after that, they found their stride. It was a very gradual process, though.

 

If they pulled the rug on this and made it Rey Kenobi in the end in addition to everything else in the leaks I’m seeing they will have basically made the movie I asked for here months ago.

It’s already felt too good to be true as it is but moving my second favorite lineage theory to my favorite would have me wondering what else my wish powers could muster.

Not going to let my mind go there though. This is already ridiculously close to what I wanted after VIII.