ST Rey & Kylo Ren in Episode IX

...what? She's intrigued by creepy dude obsessively creeping on her because she misses her family?

 

Why would Rey deeply understand Kylo's loneliness? Rey was abandoned by parents who turns out, were protecting her. If anything, she hates her loneliness. Kylo killed his family. He abandoned them. He wanted to be alone. They didn't abandon him.

This is like...Kylo is a lobsterman, and loves seafood. Rey is allergic to shellfish. And Kylo fans going 'well, they both have lobster in common'.

 

The dark side would enhance some of these known traits for those with abandonment issues. A writer could simply take their pick. Rian Johnson did and the saga will forever be more interesting to discuss as a result.

 

She hasn’t chosen Kylo Ren and my guess is that she will choose Finn at the end.

 

does our hero of the ST really want to go down this unhealthy, dysfunctional road? ugh. yeah it exists but is this really 50 Shades of Grey?

 

At risk of contradicting myself...

I don't think Ben/Kylo is as separated into two entities as Anakin/Vader.

It is something very different about their two dark characters - Vader has less in common with Anakin than I speculate Kylo has in common with Ben.

Like Han says, Kylo is deluding himself. His son is alive.
He never fully erased his past identity as effectively as Vader buried his. Despite Kylo's best efforts to be all dark he is still in a transitionary phase.
Still very evil though. But not all the way there Imo.

So I have no idea what a Ben Solo ghost would look like.
Maybe I am biased because Anakin was in a suit for 20+ years, yet Kylo isn't disfigured?
Sounds shallow, but I think it holds relevance.

 

It might be more inner loneliness. a feeling that makes her feel conflicted and different to others. after all what does she say in the trailer? "people keep telling me they know me. no one does".

 

@anakinfansince1983 Yeah, the biggest issue for me is that in order to subscribe to this whole "abandonment/loneliness" connection, you'd have to eliminate Finn entirely because he has far more in common with her in that sense.

Both have literally no known family, no last name, grew up in harsh environments, are sheltered from outside knowledge, never experienced affection before finding one another, etc.

Reylos latch onto the idea that Rey's force sensitivity makes her the odd one out, and she simply cannot relate to the normie scrubs around her (despite only knowing she even had the force for a miniscule fraction of her life). Even if that were true, we're literally going into this film with Leia as her teacher in the force.

The only reason she'd want to be around Kylo is because she really liked seeing his pecs, and she can't sleep at night due to thoughts of his sexy high-waisted pants.

 

Lol. As if such an elitist/ exclusive interpretation of force sensitivity doesn’t fly in the face of Star Wars ideals. Just another contortion from the Reylos that falls apart upon even a cursory inspection.

 

Yeah, abandonment issues don't explain Rey latching on to her abuser at all when there are other options, ones who didn't violate her.

 

It’s framed as her mistake and it only happened due to a bunch of things occurring at once — including Finn not being around — that aren’t likely to repeat again. Not the least of which is that she’s learned from it.





That’s her climactic moment as a force user who uses her powers to help others and Johnson shows it happening with Finn.

Then, he embarrasses Kylo Ren by Luke, then the Resistance and finally Rey slamming the door on him. If you’re not with her or her side your against her is the mindset she reaches there.

The ending of his film betrays the narrative that he didn’t like FinnRey or that he only wanted Kylo to be the hero. He simply took things dark places for the second act setbacks because he felt that psychologically they were interesting mistakes for these people to make based on the scenarios they are in and learn from. Finn & Rey reuniting is the happy payoff he saved for her big moment.

The feelings are going to be almost entirely one-sided the rest of the way from Ben Solo.

 

Yeah. Stockholm syndrome doesn’t hold when...you’re not in prison, there is no captor, and you have plenty of stable friends.

 

On a certain level the dark side is always about making a risky, dumb, selfish decision to try and approach a challenge or fear faced some other way out of emotional impulsivity.

In Rey’s case — for a brief period of time — it was “I’m not able to influence one member of Leia’s family to change like I hoped. We are going to lose this war if I can’t. I will squander my force destiny Maz alluded to if I fail at this. But I’m getting nowhere here. Why is the force itself connecting me to this other Skywalker who Leia would probably welcome back? If he leaves it’s even bigger since he’s on their side right now, and I’m making way more progress influencing this guy since he pretty clearly wants me... and maybe I can use that to the Resistance’s advantage and turn this guy. If he comes back and checks most of the boxes I came to Ahch-To for and I end up getting trained in the force and reunite this fractured family... even better.”

The dark side convinced her this was an acceptable plan B to the problem she faced with Luke and she didn’t even realize the extent she was already beginning her dark side slide in VIII but will in IX when it grows further.

 

Trying to save Kylo wasn't a darkside impulse. It was just stupidity.

 

To me, it’s not that it’s stupid, as Luke trying to save Vader might fall in the same category. It’s that Rey has no personal incentive to do it. She despised the abusive guy a day earlier, and a Skype session turned her into a total believer in the necessity of his redemption? It’s nonsense. Forced (pun intended) and completely inorganic storytelling.

 

I felt Rey was searching for a hero without realizing that the hero was actually her. She didn't accept that role until both Luke and Kylo failed to go back to the Resistance with her. She also didn't really turn to Kylo until Luke lied to her about the island natives being invaded by marauders, a scene that truly should've been kept in the movie since it does help to explain her behavior somewhat. Snoke picked that moment to bridge their minds, when she was upset, vulnerable, and feeling more alone than ever, increasing the chances that she'd open up to Kylo and eventually come to him in person. It wasn't the best way to bring these enemies together, but it was the fastest.

 

I like how DR once again calls it the torture scene.

 

Yeah but it was torture she secretly enjoyed, you see. Because that's what Star Wars is all about.

 

It’s literally a torture room. It’s the beginning of her journey into a world of the dark side that will now culminate in IX.

All dark side journeys involve the dark sider reacting viscerally and emotionally in ways that they’re surprised to realize is within them.

Kylo Ren’s torture awoke the dark side urges within her that continued into VIII and will again in IX. He’s also going to be the one who helps her avoid giving into them fully in the end.

 

If Kylo's torture awoke darkside urges in her, she wouldn't have rushed to him to save his soul and she wouldn't have left him alive when she left the Supremacy.