ST Kylo Ren/Adam Driver Discussion Thread

His parents and lover forgave him. The people that loved him all forgave him. He then goes on to assist in ending the evil that has shadowed the galaxy over the past 100 years. He gives up his life to make sure the Jedi and the people he loves are allowed to live on.

 

I know this has already been pointed out but Rey said yes to becoming Palp's host to save her friends before she realised Ben was there. She then pretends to raise the saber behind her back to strike down Palpatine but sends the saber to Ben instead.

 

I enjoyed the Kylo conversion but not the kiss. In fairness to Ben he must have known going to see Palpatine was a one way ticket.

 

Yeah, it kinda peeves me that Rey is referred to as "lover".

 

What the hell are you on about? Yeah they "could have" written anything. But they didn't. I'm talking about the story we got, not the stories we didn't.

And in the story we got he saved Rey from succumbing to the dark side and striking down Palps. Therefore indirectly saving the entire galaxy, including Finn and Poe. Would they forgive him the way Rey did, or Han or Leia? I dunno, probably not, but what's done is done, he helped her save everyone and then he died for the galaxies newest legend and the women he loves.

 

I thought that Rey sensed Ben when she agreed, as he had just arrived. She raises the saber to fake out Shiv, and then drops it to Ben. I wish they had gone with a hug, which would have satisfied most (maybe) instead of dividing the fandom again even further.

 

Han didn't forgive him. Kylo used Han as an avatar to forgive himself. There's actually no indication that Leia forgave him either.

 

Wow....that's bleak

 

It's a bleak movie.

 

Nope, Palpatine says something like "strike me down and become Empress" and she weakly nods in defeat. Then she senses Ben is there and changes her mood (the shot at the end of the main TROS trailer). That is when she does the fake out, she didn't realise Ben was there before that.

 

Thanks. Im seeing it again today so I'll watch out for that.

 

It was heroic though, her kissing him doesn't change that. He wasn't asking her to kiss him, his love is unconditional, the kiss was just a bonus for him.

 

It’s true. He is talking to himself and justifying his actions. ‘Han’ is just a memory. I lament the lack of a new Jedi Order not being established, but do enjoy Kylo a lot. One of the redeeming aspects of the ST is Driver.

 

Han forgave him literally the second the lightsaber went through him in TFA, which is why he caresses his face immediately after. His love for Ben was also unconditional, there's zero grudge at all.

This all seemed obvious on my very first watch of TFA.

 

I think they added the your memory line because they know fans would go crazy over a Han FG.

 

Her using the last of her strength to help him would suggest otherwise.

Plus Han's last action in TFA was to gently touch Kylo's face as like a "I forgive you" gesture. (Eta - beaten to it)

FWIW Kylo's hallucination had Han mention that "what she stood for wasn't gone" and Kylo doesn't disagree - ie, he is no longer going to fight against these values.

 

Specifically, the action of turning away from the dark side completely - as symbolised by his hurling the red saber into the sea.

 

Hard to say. I read it as ‘I’m seconds from death, you hate my guts and just killed me, but I’ll touch what’s immediately in front of me, and enjoy the memory of who you once were’.

 

Or was she using the last of her strength to save Rey and the innocent people in the galaxy?
Nah, couldn't be, Kylo is literally the only person in the ST who matters.

 

There's also the junior TFA novelization:


At first, Han didn’t feel anything except a piercing heat in his chest. Then his lungs didn’t work. His heart stopped beating. His legs wobbled. He lost his feet. The fiery blade sank deeper. And he knew that this time, this impossible situation was one Chewie couldn’t save him from. In the last few seconds of his life, he thought of the Falcon and his furry first mate and his beautiful princess, but he saw only his son. The darkness in his eyes. And the sadness. Han forgave his son for what he had done. He prayed someday his son would forgive him in turn.

 

I don't think it was Ben getting forgiveness, as it was Ben using the memory of Han to give him the strength to let go of the dark.

And Leia used up her life energy to reach Ben.

 

I know the books aren't actually canon because they overwrite them on a whim, but this got approved.
Accepting without quite believing, Han stared back into the face of the creature that had been his son. There was nothing to see there. Only darkness in the shape of a face: alien, unthinking, unfeeling.

 

The other novelization.