ST Kylo Ren/Adam Driver Discussion Thread

Some heroes don’t wear capes, folks. Have a look at some of these fun Ben Solo recreations.

https://time.com/5760530/ben-solo-challenge/

 

But..but.....his feelings?

Seriously though his defense pretty much comes down to "well they shouldn't have made him mad and he wouldn't have hurt them". Cause ya know, THAT is the take we needed in the year of our lord 2019

 

Ben Solo, the hero we need, but don’t deserve.

 

Well actually that was more anakins philosophy.

 

Yeah it was wrong for both of them. It would be nice to have a main SW villain who is not an abuser who we are told to sympathize with. Like all power to people who liked Kylo, but I really want that trend to cease

 

I agree, sigh so much we could and should have seen.

 

It's a message from Adam Driver to Ben Solo fans.

 

Over $50,000 raised! Outstanding!

 

Yep, the fans raised a lot of money. I'm glad Adam took time from his terribly busy award season schedule to acknowledge the effort of his fans. He's a classy guy!

 

I can understand why people like both Ben/Kylo and Anakin, but it does irk me when fans of those characters use the 'my poor abused baby' defence. Both, as far as we know, fell to the dark-side at an age when they were old enough to know the difference between right and wrong. Portraying the fall of either as the mere product of external manipulation, not personality flaws (lust for power ect.), robs these characters of both agency and nuance.

 

We stan a supportive grandmother.

 

The thing bout Ben and Anakin is that its a tragic story about how a good person goes bad. the dark side is not always a metaphor for someone who is a bad person. its about blurring that line between good and bad.

 

I would have loved to get that story re Ben.

But we didn’t.

I was really surprised we didn’t get a “lil Ben Solo” flashback in RoS.

 

Most disappointing thing about the film to me.

What happened to the leaked claim we find out why he turned? Surely it wasn't just referencing Palpatine speaking in Ben's mind from childhood onwards?

 

Ben Solo is a tragic figure who did one good thing before dying. Which is nice, but he ain't no hero.

 

I hope the Rise of Kylo #2,#3,#4 develops our perception of him a lot more.

I liked the movie portrayal, but Driver and Ridley (and Harrison Ford) carry it. It wasn't nearly as detailed as I hoped. But it was believable.

 

Honestly, it’s amazing how much comics and/or novels can do to fill in for fans of a work. Even seeing Ben as a younger person in the comics working with Luke has changed so much of how I perceive the sequel trilogy.

 

Its in the comics now. So hey.

Its not like the film answered every other question. In a way even with Rey there is still a question of how she came to be. Being the granddaughter of someone you wouldnt think had any kids.

 

Well, you don't know about Shmi and Padme and little Anakin in ROTJ. That's not important.

However, those are legitimate questions, as is whether Ben Solo is still around - to be used as some kind of amnesiac Man With no Name/Bobba Fett/Yojimbo/Mandalorian in the future.

Ben Solo and Rey are a 'dyad', and the implication is that they were since Rey's birth, 20 years ago. Ben was 9-10 at the time. If Ben Solo survived TROS, the dyad would still be there.

So maybe the pre ST dyad and the post ST dyad will find each other in some kind of narrative moebius strip.

Those lightsabers wrapped in cloth and buried in the sand would be like that wooden horse in BR2049, wrapped in cloth and hidden inside an oven, if you have seen that film (or like that tree and what's buried beneath it)

It's just a possibility; the fact is that we have seen Anakin and Leia and Luke after dying, but not Ben.

 

I wonder what their intention was regarding tying her birth to Ben starting his Jedi training. Was her birth a reaction to it in the force. Or was her birth the catalyst for Ben to go a bit wonky which led him to be sent to Luke?

The whole status of Ben now is confusing. So he healed her. So he used up his connection to the living force. Him disappearing suggested he joined the cosmic force, but we haven't seen a ghost yet. There are also weird theories that he is someone 'one' with her now, not sure how that works. Is he still him? Is he in her head? Will she take on more of his personality? Can he manifest in her body (considering it was 1 soul 2 bodies, now 1 soul, 1 body)? How weird will they take this? The door is open.

 

http://www.mtv.com/news/3151532/star-wars-ben-solo-challenge/

https://www.themarysue.com/the-ben-solo-challenge/

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2020...-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-spoilers-twitter/

 

Generally speaking, if a villain is to be redeemed - and not simply in a “heel-turn-then-die” way a la Vader- showing how they fell in the first place is rather important.

In the movie.

Supplementary materials exist to enhance an already-adequate narrative. Not to serve as “DLC.”

The comics are a retcon. But that isn’t too surprising considering how much RoS retcons existing canon.

 

Well fathers 'manifest' in mothers' bodies all the time...Ben&Rey kiss and according to Irv Kershner, kisses are SW sex. What's more, Ben had touched her belly just before that -before sex- and that's also SW. Anakin Skywalker was conceived without kisses too.

 

I don't consider the Ben Solo comics a retcon, because alot of it is either blind or misunderstood, he said, she said.

Its more of a twist than anything else. we hear Luke say oh when i woke i found out Ben had gone and he took some of my students with him... yes luke was the one that said it. but he wasn't even awake to see it. what people really mean is that if you tell the audience a story in the movie, then that should be the truth, even if he wasn't awake for it, it should still be what happened.