ST Luke Skywalker/Mark Hamill Discussion Thread [SEE WARNING ON PAGE 134]

6 film canon plus animated shows/Mando i guess Rogue One as well and 3 Marvel What IF "Star Wars" movies. I HAVE SPOKEN.

 

It would prove Luke right in TLJ.

 

Not really, it would just make them both failures and the new character right and successful.

 

This feels relevant here also... from Rise of Kylo Ren #2 preview.

 

Just wait for him getting his butt handed to him so Saint Ben can save him. That comic has quadrupled down on Luke getting trashed so far.

 

Soule is a major reason I haven’t touched a Marvel SW comic in months. I think his stuff is miserable. No surprise he relishes in stomping on Luke to prop the emo child.

 

Or maybe we wait and see what happens in the comic before making assumptions?

 

Soule is one of the best new hires for Star Wars in the medium. I’m glad he’s involved with the Luminous project.

 

That seems very rational. I like the wait and see approach.

 

I’m glad you like him. His Vader series is probably one of Marvel SW biggest sellers. I just hated it. I knew this Kylo series would be in the same vein. It’s a good time to be in SW fandom if your thing is villain protagonists and “heroes” that mostly lose. I did like his Lando series though. It was also sad with a touch of misery, but if memory serves (I read it years ago now), it had fun moments and it felt like Lando.

 

That whole Lando mini was just great. It felt like that was a benchmark that I don’t think they’ve hit since. The art was interesting, the story was absolutely stand alone yet still added to the overall world building of the era.

Haven’t read much of his Vader stuff but I’ve heard it’s good.

 

Lando and Vader are both great and the Rise of Kylo Ren already seems very promising as well.

 

I truly think Hamill would have turned down the opportunity to return to play Luke Skywalker if he had known what was in store for him. Luke was pretty much sidelined for two of the three films and was (too many people including Hamill himself) almost unrecognizable in the lone film that he played a major part in. So the iconic character Hamill brought to life was tainted. If you disagree with that then check out the remarks of many Reylos who like to put Luke down to justify in their eyes why their precious Kylo went to the darkside and killed all of Luke’s students. Many of the new fans coming in will thus walk away having a negative opinion of his character because of how they interpreted Luke’s actions. Who would have guessed that when news initially came of the Big Three returning to reprise their classic roles?


To make matters worse Hamill never got a chance to do a scene together with both Carrie and Harrison. Who would have guessed that either? You can tell Hamill was clearly disappointed over this. I’ll add that the writers for these movies didn’t seem to care for Luke overall. It was evident that JJ and Kasdan had far, far more love for Ford/Han. They reduced Luke to a rumored mythological figure that had to be tracked down. Can you imagine Hamill getting the script of TFA and discovering Luke only turns up on the final page, saying nothing to boot? Rian made him into an isolationist loner who was hiding from the fight, not even bothering to come out of his retirement stage when a new threat had first arisen. So IMO you had one team disinterested in Luke and the other not understanding Luke.


To make matters worse Luke apparently never had a relationship with a woman worth mentioning, nor did he father any children. Which means the EU development of his character, his lineage in particular, was far stronger. But all of that was chucked aside for the sake of Disney Star Wars. If I was Hamill I wouldn’t think the whole situation was worth it other than perhaps making a few new friends and most importantly losing weight to the point that he looks healthy again. Crazy. He probably should have signed the contract to return until he saw that first script. If after doing so he had told Disney “no”, they probably would have made changes making the trilogy more worth his while.


The Luke fans who were going ballistic on these boards during the lead up to TFA and after its release in retrospect had the right to be upset over VII. But even they probably couldn’t imagine a treatment scenario so bad for Luke in the followup VIII that it would end up splitting the fandom.

 

Of course the writers of a Kylo Ren comic have to write post-ROTJ Luke as a cocky, arrogant jackass who doesn't take a threat on his life and that of his friend and nephew seriously.

Maybe there's some astronomically small chance this'll be good, but literally nothing that has come before this has given me any hope that they won't utterly trash Luke and make him look like a monster to prop up the Almighty Ben Solo.

 

I don't think this comic is pushing luke down to make Ben look better. i doubt thats the intention behind how Luke is written here. even if people don't agree with Luke acting a particular way.

 

I think what’s clear is that scene is setting up Kylo ultimately killing Ren and taking his place as leader of the Knights of Ren. Which means Luke won’t kill him in that battle.

 

Oh, I`m pretty sure, this is gonna be a set up to show how super-duper-amazing teenage Ben Solo is and how he will jump into battle and save that nitwit Luke Skywalker who couldn`t fight his way out of a wet paper bag.

 

It could be this, or Luke could go the route of letting this guy go, because good Jedi only kill peons, never leader bad guys. That’s just as bad as being evil!

 

Granted. Though I have a feeling it will be a scene harkening back to "I`ve only seen this raw power once before", you know a Ben-Solo-power-hour-glorification-moment where Luke is both in slack-jawed awe and - because he is bad and wrong - suspicious of pristine little Ben. Because that line on how Ben and Rey were so awe-inspiringly powerful always looked great coming from the guy who stood before both Anakin Skywalker and Emperor Palpatine, also trained with Yoda, clearly all limp noodles in the force compared to Reylo.

I mean Luke`s own force power has been diminished to just about nothing in those movies so he doesn`t even qualify anymore but they handily used him to throw everyone else in the trash as well to prop their little toys.

 

It seems to be a flashback to a period a fair bit before Ben would be strong enough to kill the Ren leader though.

To be fair about Luke's portrayal we haven't actually seen it yet... he was out cold for issue 1.
We already knew Kylo perceived it as attempted murder, but that is the bad guys perspective. The first chapter was sympathetic to Kylo, but it doesn't seem near as bad as TLJ's portrayal of Luke.
Hopefully they are tactful with Luke for the rest of it.

 

If they’re not even showing Luke’s perspective at all, they’re not being tactful to Luke. It’s possible to chew gum and walk at the same time. That scene shouldn’t only be portrayed as sympathetic to Kylo. Luke should be shown having a good reason to fear that kid.

 

If the movies aren`t, why should a comic be? And it`s a comic with the intent to sell Kylo Ben, if Luke needs to go further under the biggest bulldozer there is, this comic would have even less inclination not to do it than any of the movies do. The target audience for that comics is Kylo-fans, not Luke-fans.

 

The moment Kylo stepped out of the ruined hut his anger and hatred at what Luke had done manifested into lightning and destroyed the Temple. Unintentionally on Kylo's part, but this is how I read it. I believe the new EU references things breaking by themselves when young Ben Solo was angry so this is like an exaggerated version of that.

My point being Luke pushed him over the edge, but he was proven right by what happened right after.
Ben was mislead as to the extent Luke was willing to attack him, but the perception thing is a little similar to Anakin thinking Mace was attempting to assassinate Palpatine when Anakin turned.

Maybe. I'm cautiously optimistic they saw clearly how the fans reacted to TLJ and will tread a little more carefully than Johnson.

I don't know, I doubt they will make it mostly Luke's fault.
FWIW one of the Jedi students who arrived after said they didn't believe Ben or Luke could do what Ben described.

 

Listen, I love Luke Skywalker. He is my favorite fictional character. That said, it's hard for me to believe that fans thought he'd be more front and center in the sequel Trilogy. They touted this trilogy from day one about "passing the torch"

Listen, I love Luke Skywalker. He is my favorite fictional character. That said, I think it's strange that people thought Luke would be anything more than the Yoda of the sequel trilogy.

From the beginning, it was made clear that the new trilogy would NOT be focusing primarily on the heroes of the OT and it would be a passing of the torch to a new generation. Yes, Luke was sidelined for the ST...isn't that the point. How many times did we hear (before TFA was released) that Luke's story was basically over. Frankly, I was surprised that TLJ focused on Luke as much as it did...giving him one last (albeit controversial to fanboys) story arc. I guess I should not be surprised that, 20+ years after TPM, fans are complaining about how Star Wars is "wrecked" forever. It is laughable. We are in a golden age of Star Wars, and some folks aren't really enjoying it. :-(