Full Series Darth Maul in Star Wars Rebels

Well, all I meant is that his physical strength (and perhaps mental acuity) may have dropped slightly in comparison to Obi-wan's. And so he lost.

 

Beating inquisitors isn't much of a challenge. And as for Ahsoka, she used him as a living training remote to give a just blinded Jedi a workout... who then proceeded to school him in seconds. While she sashayed off to take care of more important things.

Maul in Rebels is a manipulator, not a fighting force.
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Just a matter of perspective, but to me Maul handling 3 Inquisitors at once was meant to show that he is an above average Force user. Really above, I would say...

 

Maul was still a great capable fighter, not as he once was like in clone wars and Solo maybe. The only ones he cound't take on was Vader, Palpatine and Kenobi. Though acording to Lucas Kenobi could have killed Vader in ANH.

 

Of course. Just not above Obi-Wan. He had the high ground on the low ground.

 

I'm still really, really not a fan of that. Really not. Against Qui-Gon, Maul fought very aggressively to get as close as he could and his saber as high as he could so as to have the hilt inches away from Qui-Gon's face. He just needed a quick jab to hit him and stun him. Against Obi-Wan he tries the same move from a crouching position and further away, it's no wonder that it doesn't work. Filoni & Co could have done a much better job, or at least not say anything about it, keep it in the domain of fan speculation.

The man had spent weeks under the suns of Tatooine, I really don't think he was in top shape. Of course, in this case, it was also an indicator of his rapidly decreasing mental state, which is probably where he was the worst off.

 

And an indicator that Obi-wan was in a better frame of mind. He wasn’t seething with uncontrollable rage, as Maul was. That helped Obi-wan calmly and quickly defeat him.

 

Yeah. It's just a mellowed older guy thing, with 20 years more experience and some communing-with-a-ghost-hippie under his belt.

Maul's an old dude fighting like a p*ssed-off young dude, Obi's grown above it and is wise enough to see the move coming. Obi's grown in an enlightenment sense, Maul hasn't, Maul pays for it.

 

Exactly. You said it best.

 

I'm not sure that Maul was seething with uncontrollable rage in that confrontation. Otherwise, he would have attacked Obi-Wan immediately instead of trying to make Obi-Wan respond to his hatred with something resembling emotion. The man is so starved for an emotional connection that he almost begs Obi-Wan to respond. Look how happy he is when Obi finally draws his lightsaber!

 

OK, but the point is that he’s emotionally unstable while Obi-Wan is a cool glass of water.

 

Maul was more powerful than Ahsoka in the Rebels, not sure where did you get that fanfiction.

https://www.starwars.com/series/star-wars-rebels/twilight-of-the-apprentice-episode-gallery-2



''Kanan agrees to split the group up, the logical choice pairing Maul with the weakest of the Jedi.''
It was because Maul > Ahsoka > Kanan > Ezra. Group A: Maul (strongest) / Ezra (weakest), Group B: Ahsoka / Kanan.

Also you say the Inquisitors aren't much of a challenge, while Ahsoka was never able to replicate what Maul did against the same Inquisitors (kicking, punching and pushing them with the Force etc.) even with Kanan's help in Malachor, without Maul, they couldn't beat them.

As for Ahsoka vs Maul, she had no other choice but running away from Maul, we have seen that she couldn't beat Maul, with Kanan or without Kanan, the battle station temple was activated, it has to be stopped no matter what and Kanan told her to go, so she used that to escape and save Ezra. Kanan's fight was circumstantial, the voice actor of Kanan admitted that Kanan was amped by the Force more than when he defeated the Grand Inquisitor, and Maul simply slipped because he underestimated Kanan and his Force amplification. It could happen to anyone, Kanan and Ezra even Force pushed Vader in the same season and they almost killed him.

 

What exactly made Maul more powerful than Ahsoka was; especially by the point in the timeline Twilight of the Apprentice came around? Was it just that he had been trained by Sidious?

 

new trailer with Maul today made it pretty explicit that he knew about the grand plan, although he does also say in Clone Wars that it's started already without him. I am wondering if the Maul/Ahsoka dialogue from the Ahsoka novel will be exact "You're just half a Sith" or it'll be different.

 

Just experience, probably. He's a good deal older.

 

A good 12 years of that was spent scrabbling around a cave as a spider after losing his first battle with a Padawan. Many more years spent cooling heels on Malachor. How much actual battlefield experience did he have? The Dark Side gives you power, but it doesn't give you skill or smarts.

 

Well, no, but I mean...

Ahsoka's still reasonably small-time of a Jedi. Maul's taken out a guy of Master rank, only lost to Obi-Wan due to arrrogance. He's been out of the game a while, but pretty clearly the dude's at least "knight" level, 10 years prior to the Ahsoka stuff. He's got the skill. Smarts was his downfall at the end with Obi-Wan, but "smarts" up against a padawan, he's got enough to hold his own.

 

Well losing due to arrogance is still losing. I mean, Kanan is less powerful and experienced than Ahsoka, and he had just been blinded. And Maul still loses to him.

 

You can't say Ahsoka's just a "small-time of a Jedi" if in the same breath you regard her Master as among the best there ever was.

 

Uhh, what? Of course Ahsoka's small-time. She's heroic & brave and awesome, but she's clearly still a newbie on the abilities & experience & worldliness scale.

She's probably, like, Obi-Wan between EpI & EpII type of thing.

 

Come on, this sentence is beyond ridiculous.

A "newbie" held off Darth Freaking Vader, got the jump on him and slashed his mask? Survived countless battles in the Clone Wars and 15 years on the run from the Empire? Don't know why Yoda needed to hide his children for 20 years then - just train a couple of Force sensitives a couple of notches past the "newbie" stage and Palpy will be running for his diapers.

 

Palpatine never spent any time on any battlefield at all, he's still smarter and more skilled in addition to more powerful then anyone else short of maybe Yoda. Palpatine created Maul to kill Jedi Masters and the Skywalker Saga didn't start until the moment Palpatine felt sure he was ready to start doing that.

 

First of all, Maul's first battle against the Jedi was not with Qui-Gon + Obi-Wan, it was against another Jedi, Eldra Kaitis.

Secondly, Sidious didn't fight against the Jedi, but he started to do that just fine without having any experience. No Sith Lord until Maul fought against the Jedi for 1000 years, so that's not the issue. None of them would need an experience to fight against the Jedi. Sith master vs. Sith apprentice training was more than they needed for years to be ready to defeat the Jedi. They also have very harsh training methods against the beings that could kill any Jedi (hunting advanced assassin droids, very dangerous beasts such as Rathtars, and bounty hunters etc.)

Also how Rey beat Sidious, or how Windu beat Sidious?

Blind Kanan did the same against Maul, as well as Old Ben.

They said this;

In normal circumstances Maul was more powerful than Ahsoka, Inquisitors and Kanan in the Rebels, but due to Kanan's ''Force overpowering'' moment, Maul slipped and fell from the temple.

 

Yeah, 'cause none of that is going to be down to that sliver of good in Anakin holding back until right at the end. Nah, Ahsoka's on an even keel with the frickin' Chosen One, okay. Obi-Wan only bested the guy due to an edge in experience and making use of Anakin's blind basically-adolescent rage, that's not the same guy Ahsoka comes up against in Rebels 15 years later.

Like just about all of the Jedi until the closing days.

This is a point, fair.

Then again, so did Caleb/Kanan, I think most of us wouldn't figure Kanan's anything up-and-above your average run-of-the-mill Jedi. He's not some exceptional wunderkind, he's a workhorse, only difference is he had a part in the big cosmic ballet to play. Same with Ahsoka. She's no Anakin/Luke /Rey/Ben, she's an Obi-Wan. Just younger and not quite as weathered.

I say this as an Ahsoka fan, it's hardly some derogatory analysis. She's just not "special" in any abilities sense, and probably isn't any more battle-hardened than your Average Joe nameless Jedi, they all fought in the war, right? And even by Rebels she'd be, what, 30ish or whatever alien equivalent. She & Kanan are pretty much the very definition of "good average soldier with a heart of gold", Obi-Wan style.

Maul, for all his shortcomings, was basically the only one of his kind as the non-master Sith, trained with the benefit of every bit of Palpatine's attention (in as far as the part of his mind devoted to teaching) solely on him. He's older, more experienced, he's survived almost alone same as she has in the intervening years between the show. Not a jump to figure he's got an advantage.

Uh huh.