ST THE RISE OF SKYWALKER mirroring and symbolism

True, perhaps not.
Still, is there anything remotely official on where the scene in the rain actually takes place?

That would have been so good to see play out.
But I wanted a lot of Luke and Ben backstory we sadly didn't get.

Lol. I know the feeling.

 

I've seen or heard anything official on that vision, sadly.

 

While on Vader's castle - I think Mustafar is one of the best things linking the Disney movies to the prequels.

In Rogue One having a castle on Mustafar, while it feels like OT-toned fan service, is actually really fitting with both Lucas trilogies. It makes sense as connective tissue for the saga.

And Mustafar in TROS is a cool inclusion, particularly the symbolism of it starting to regrow vegetation after Anakin's redemption. Like the miracle of his re-emergence in ROTJ I suppose.

 

Wow! That last point is a really good one

And I agree about Mustafar being good connective tissue, as it holds so much significance.
Now, if only TROS had made it clearer that it was Mustafar and the wayfinder had belonged to Vader...

 

I think it is mentioned in the novelisation, which I haven't picked up yet. Might get a digital copy soon.

 

Well it is definitely now Mustafar in my head canon!

Thanks for pointing out!

 

The novel does point out the wayfinder is on Mustafar btw and includes the scene with the Oracle there

 

I compared Han in Carbonite and Ben disappearing, and maybe Luke and his new lightsaber in ROTJ (Tatooine, deleted scene) and Rey and her new lightsaber in Tatooine would be their counterparts.

Don't have the pics now, sorry.

 

I don't have the deleted scene handy... but there is this from the actual movie.

Spoiler

 

Thanks, sir.

Then in ROTJ Leia unfroze Han...JJ must have heard about that Search for Spock film, with its reincarnation trick. There are other possibilities (BR2049 has its good share of SWesque 'behind+past' shots, and also of 'reincarnation' of some sort, with backstory and sequel material being merged that way. JJ saw the film I think)

In andy case, Rey and BB8 + Luke (TFA) is not so different from Rey and BB8 + Ben as a post-TROS path (Hidalgo pitched once an ending for IX with Ben in Luke's island)

 

It IS Mustafar, but I feel that the film should've made that clear, to strengthen the link to ROTS. I actually had no idea which planet it was until I looked it up on Wookieepedia.
This isn't what the thread is about, but I felt that I should clarify what I meant

ON TOPIC, it just occurred to me that the voices of the Jedi coming to Rey's aid is an echo, or rather many echoes, of Obi-Wan aiding Luke during the Battle of Yavin.

 

Great screenshots, Hevy! I actually wanted to talk about the battle where Kylo and Rey fight together. Or, well, that too, lol, but specifically the scene right after when they force-fight over the light saber.
Has anyone seen the play "the caucasian chalk circle" ? It instantly reminded me of that when I watched that scene.

Anyway.. that fighting scene... mm so good.

 

Spoiler

ANH

The well equipped hidden Rebel base /fortress) triangular with rebel ships on ground level and multiple levels above (added albeit in later SW cross sections) with more fleet ships and hundreds more personnel.


TROS


Hidden Sith fortress. An upside down triangle shape. And hidden below were hundreds and hundreds of Star Destroyers waiting.




I think that both bases in their design are intentional. Signifying good vs evil . Therefore opposites and inverted

The Sith hiding with plenty of well equipped fleet capable of destroying planets despite the losses several decades after events of ROTJ.

Meanwhile the Rebels in ANH had been hidden quietly building years since the Fall of the Republic 30 years after the events of ROTS.

Cheers!

MJ

 

Good point ^ @MarcJordan And where the rebels had a lush, foresty atmosphere, it's not exactly that for the sith. Nature vs cold, unforgiving metal/whatever you wanna call it.

 

Are there are visual parallels between Ach To and Exegol?

Essentially the spiritual home of both the Jedi and the Sith in the Sequels

 

The most important parallel in ST movies that some fans noticed and stuck by it even though their voices were drown by Reywalker vs Rey Random War.

Spoiler

They snarl, they stab, they are Palaptine.

 

Yeah i don't think it was intentional at the time but it does help the storyline fit together now

Also there was a brief moment of hearing Palpatine in the force back scene which kinda ties in as well

In terms of character parallels I think Rey is set up as a combination of OT Luke and Leia (her costume is inspired by Leia in TROS)

I also see Poe as a Han/Leia hybrid and Finn as a Luke/Han hybrid

 

considering that JJ's buddy Simon Pegg said that JJ had particular parentage in mind that TLJ made slightly difficult to go back to but not impossible, Rey Palaptine was likely JJ's endgame. and we know from all those 2014 quotes (Pablo, Filoni) that Rey wasn't related to Skywalkers. So that leaves Rey Palps.

 

Not the thread for this debate

Are there any parallels between TPM and TROS anyone has that link the start and end of the Saga together?

 

Spoiler: Spoiler

A Haunted Anakin becomes Jedi killer Vader comes to Mustafar to kill the Separatists.


A haunted Ben Solo who is Kylo Ren Supreme Leader of the First Order arrives Mustafar eventually killing the protectors of the wayfinder.



Notice that it is after Kylo comes back from Mustafar he gets his mask rebuilt.

See the sparks as it is remolded.


Resulting in red fiery winding markings.



like the lava flows in Mustafar.



Signifying Kylo’s hidden inner turmoil.

Bonus: Inversion- Turmoiled Anakin
/Vader to Obi Wan: “ Don't lecture me, Obi-Wan! I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the dark side as you do.”

Rey : ““I see through the cracks in your mask. You’re haunted. You can’t stop seeing what you did to your father.”

Kylo: “...I'm going to find you and I'm going to turn you to the Dark Side.”

Cheers!

MJ

 

Nice work.

I was wondering how to use a shot of Mustafar from both films

Also, Kylo going there on his own authority to "destroy any threat to his power" leads him to Palpatine. Anakin goes there on Palpatine's instruction, later tells Padme his plan to kill Sidious and rule alongside her, but after defeat ends up subservient to Sidious afterall.
Vader and Kylo both end up at Sidious's mercy towards the end of each respective film.

 

I've got some stuff to post later if you are keen

The post @ScreamingWoman2019 did on Anakin leaving Shmi then Ben Solo symbolically coming home to Leia and Han - is the best thematically linked motif I've seen between the beginning and end though.

 

Yeah, Shmi is both Han and Leia, certain aspects of them...but Qui-Gon was the jedi guidance Anakin never had. And that's TROS Rey after the duel.

Qui Gon died in TPM, but one can see him being a different kind of jedi, and better when it came to sustain the 'be here,now' jedi mentality. The rest, even Yoda, were more 'rigid' by comparison. Qui-Gon could have helped Anakin with the 'dont look back' thing.

Rey does look a bit like Qui-Gon in TLJ (her long hair) That was after the cave...after the reverse baptism -water but no parents- in the cave.

There's also Rey Skywalker and Shmi Skywalker. Apparently, Shmi was called Shmi Warka originally, so maybe she adopted Skywalker too, before TPM: after the name she had given to her own 'unexplainable' son. (In the Thrawn novel, Thrawn explains to Vader that sky-walker was a name given to FS children in the UR. Maybe Shmi had heard of it) Rey and Shmi were nobodies until 'Skywalker' was adopted.

 

Cool, good point.

On top of some links between Qui-Gon (1) / Obi-Wan (4) / Han (7) being killed by someone younger than them... these are then followed by Obi-Wan helping "kill" Anakin on Mustafar (3) - after the immolation Anakin is reborn as Vader - where Rey stabbing Kylo and healing him "rebirths" "Ben" (9).
Obi-Wan loses Qui-Gon to the Sith (1), then Kenobi loses Anakin to the Sith (Anakin loses himself to Vader) (3). Anakin is brought back into the Jedi by Luke's compassion (6).
Kylo is brought back into the Jedi by Rey (9). And the love of his mother.
It is pretty fitting that where Obi-Wan gives up on Anakin, Luke refuses to, then Rey parallels both "lost brother" and "found son" Jedi by both stabbing Kylo and bringing back Ben.
The Qui-Gon link can really play into this.



Rey: "Be with me" in these scenes.


Qui-Gon: "We stand behind you Rey."

Yup. Qui-Gon even also tried to teach Anakin an opposite lesson to Palpatine regarding midichlorians - Qui-Gon teaches symbiosis for mutual advantage, yet Palpatine subverts this and claims Anakin will be able to bend the midichlorians to his own will.
Obi-Wan and Yoda tellingly never mention the midis to Anakin onscreen.

Interesting... you mean like a baptism into dark rather than light?

That makes sense, I didn't know it was an adopted name. Then most of the Skywalkers, if not all, are adopted too.

 

I used to view the final scene in TROS as cheap fan service mainly linked to ANH, but now, after some more thinking, I realize that the Lars homestead holds great significance for the whole Skywalker family.
As far as the Saga tells us, it was Shmi's first (and only) home as a free woman. As such - and because she married into the Lars family - it was also, in a sense, a home to Anakin; the home where he would go looking for his mother and later bury her; the home where his son would grow up in the care of his stepbrother and sister-in-law; the home that both he and Luke would leave behind forever because it no longer held anything for them but pain.

In light of all that, it actually seems quite fitting that Rey would go there to return the heirlooms of Anakin, Luke and Leia to their family home and then, like them, leave it behind forever.