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Discussion in 'Literature' started by Rax, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    How much do we know about the office of Supreme Commander? When did Vader become Supreme Commander (in the EU and Canon)? I understand in Canon Grand General Tagge leads the military after Yavin. Who was Supreme Commander beforehand. I'd like to think it was Tarkin (just going off of ANH) but this might not be compatible with other sources. Was the name "Executor" ever used before Dark Empire. Is this just a new name or a new position?
     
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  2. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think Executor was just Sedriss's title and no one else's. Have you read Publius's The New Order in Power? It's like 10% fan fiction and 90% just putting the pieces together, complete with footnotes. Publius speculates that the Supreme Commander prior to Vader was Admiral Screed. Here's the relevant section and the relevant footnotes: (I'm assuming Great Prince Felijp of Philippic-in-Cranstôme and Dr. Tahafut Ibn al-Dajjal are made up)

     
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  3. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    The relationship between the Throne and the Supreme Commander seems to be quite interesting. I strongly get the feeling that the Throne was (de jure) a civilian position. A military officer assuming the role of Emperor would not have been acceptable to the imperial masses. Sate Pestage and Mas Amedda, both Grand Viziers, take the throne. Xandel Carivus, seemingly a civilian, becomes Emperor. Ederlathh Pallopides would've presumably been an acceptable Empress. Additionally, the Ruling Council can rule in the absence of an Emperor. The biggest exception would be Carnor Jax, technically a Stormtrooper. However, it's quite possible the citizenry viewed the guardsmen as more of a paramilitary group.

    Both Ysanne Isard and Thrawn were likely the highest-ranking military officers in the Empire, and likely held the office of Supreme Commander. However, neither assumed the throne while their predecessors and successors did. The idea of a military officer becoming Emperor was likely very taboo if not illegal. The Remnant had the role of Head of State, instead of having an Emperor Pellaeon.

    My point is I doubt any military officers were in the line of succession for the Throne. Grand Vizier may have came first, with the other Advisors maybe being in the line of succession. Perhaps the Grand Moffs could've come next. It's quite possible dynastic succession existed legally, but seeing as Palpatine had no notable relatives, we can't be too sure. The Fel Empire may confirm that a blood relative was the first in line for the throne. Marasiah assumes the throne instead of one of Roan's political or military subordinates.
     
  4. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Do we know what exactly a commander is in the Stormtrooper Corps? They obviously exist, but all of the organizational charts exclude this rank.
    This could be our explanation:
    However, it would be pretty strange if we never got a canon explantation for such an obvious issue.
     
  5. PCCViking

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    That brings up a question. In the new canon, it seems that commanders outrank captains when it comes to ships. First, they're captains, then they're commanders.

    Wouldn't it be the other way around? Otherwise, officers like Piett and Needa probably wouldn't have commanded Star Destroyers in the Death Squadron (or any SD anyway).
     
  6. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    That's identical to Legends. They made the same oops.
     
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  7. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This is complicated but at least they made sense out of something that doesn’t make sense.


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  8. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    Imperial Executor was a rank created specially for the Dark Empire regime. Its both Darksider rank for the Dark Jedi leader of the Dark Jedi serving the Clone Emperor as well as a military commander in chief leader role.
     
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  9. Chrissonofpear2

    Chrissonofpear2 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Yes, some of Publius' speculations may be a bit TOO inferential, at times. Screed does seem to be very senior, likely a High Admiral, as hinted by some sources. Whether that made him an overall commander is much less clear.
    Also, are we to assume that the variation in rank cylinders is no longer a major distinction between some ranks, as inferred in the past, of the John Mollo system?
     
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  10. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    I have to wonder what the wearing of hats has to do with rank in the Empire. On Earth, everyone gets a hat; wether or not you wear it depends on if you're indoors or outdoors. This doesn't seem to be the case in the Empire. Particularly in the Navy, you're nearly always indoors, so this wouldn't make sense in the GFFA. What I'm really wondering is at what point are hats not required. Also, do higher ranks get hats, but simply don't have to wear them?

    In the films, Ozzel and Piett, both fleet admirals, wear hats. You have few ranks above fleet admiral. I don't believe any Grand Moffs, Generals or Admirals wear hats. Everyone in the Death Star meeting scene doesn't wear a hat. Is this just because of the meeting or are these individuals all exempt from hat wearing? Jerjerrod wears a hat, but many other Moffs don't. All I really want to know is at what point do hat's become optional in the hierarchy.
     
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  11. Iron_lord

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    Veers did:


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    though he's a regular General rather than a Grand General.

    While Bast doesn't wear his hat during the meeting:

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    he does wear it outside of the meeting:

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    which may indicate something about meeting protocols.
     
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  12. Daneira

    Daneira Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yularen also isn’t wearing a hat at the meeting but is wearing one when he’s seen walking down the hallway.


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  13. Snafu55

    Snafu55 Jedi Master star 3

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    Moffs do wear hats as well. I know Moff Jerjerrod and Moff Raythe from Battlefront II do. I
    It seems that it's up to them to what attire they wear. Some Governors and Moffs wear totally different uniforms like Gideon and Adelhard. It seems it's up to them.
     
  14. SpecForce Trooper

    SpecForce Trooper Jedi Master star 4

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    Aren't those two warlords, though? Anyway, we know Moffs are technically civillians but usually hold military commissions. Therefore, it's possible hats are worn in conjunction with military duty, but while "governing" they can ditch the hats.
     
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