So in Labyrinth of Evil Luceno says that Anakin draws on his anger to fight and that he does this consciously/on purpose. But in Episode 3 I always had the distinct impression that the scene when Count Dooku says "You have hate, you have anger, but you don't use them" and Anakin's besting of him was supposed to show that Anakin is actively trying to do the right thing- not use his rage. I've seen people say that he is supposed to be besting Dooku through rage in that scene and that Lucas is just a bad director, but i don't think that is the case for two reasons 1. Why would Dooku say that if Anakin was regularly using his anger as fuel already as per Labyrinth of Evil? 2. John Williams' score does not in any way indicate that Anakin is doing something bad in this fight (look at how the score goes crazy when Luke attacks Vader in Episode 6). Stover's novel also seems to go with the Luceno interpretation, so is the answer A. Lucas changed his mind after discussing these things with Stover/Luceno B. Luceno and Stover just made this up because it seems like a logical ish profession for Anakin, just not the one Lucas ever intended to use C. Lucas and Williams utterly flubbed the filmed scene
I think B is the most likely option. I know Matthew Stover talked about George Lucas personally editing his manuscript of the RotS novel, but I personally don't think Lucas cared about Stover's interpretation lining up exactly with his. I'm not aware of Lucas having any direct input on LoE, although someone more knowledgeable may be able to correct me on that. Lucas seems to have had more input in the 2D Clone Wars series, which directly contradicted LoE on several counts. Ultimately, by all accounts Lucas didn't sacrifice the story he wanted to tell to fit in with the EU, and by the same token he never bothered imposing his vision on the EU outside of a small handful of cases. At the end of the day all EU novels, including the novelisations, are that author's own take on Star Wars, no more, no less.
I agree. To answer your question, I think Lucas answering a list of questions that Luceno asked Stover to show him was the extent of his involvement with LoE. I didn't know that Lucas was involved in the microseries any more than the rest of the EU though, that's interesting. Where did you hear that? Also "profession" should obviously be "progression". The edit button for that post has disappeared for me.
The behind-the-scenes features on the DVD have interviews with Lucas and series creator Genndy Tartakovsky talking about how Lucas personally requested that they adapt the opening crawl of RotS, and also specific bits of advice like Grievous getting lightsaber training from Dooku. You only have a limited amount of time to be able to edit posts - I think it's an hour.
Varies a bit depending on the forum section - some places it's half an hour, some places it's more like an hour as I recall. I've noticed that if you edit, in some sections it extends the editing window duration - giving you another half hour or so.
Also, I remember reading that Tartakovsky and his team's intention was to bring back Durge for the final episode of Volume One. But Lucas requested them to introduce Grievous, as a promotion of the new character in the upcoming new movie. But I can't remember where I read this. An interview, probably. Maybe someone knows.
In the Novel, Dooku is taunting Anakin, to get him off his game. The movie cuts Palpatines encouragement of Anakin to use his anger, so likely it goes to different views and story telling.
Yeah, I guess I just find it interesting when the minutiae doesn't match/the EU has different ideas than Lucas. I started reading Shatterpoint the other day and it talks about how Mace respects/likes Palpatine. Good book though.
I think it's mentioned in either Dark Rendezvous or Labyrinth of Evil, that at some point Mace changes his mind about Palpatine.
DR has them talk and not get a long. But RotS has Windu being anti-Palpatine with Obi saying how he used to be a fan of him.
Unless you count the Dooku doppelgänger Anakin kills in the game boy game the New Droid Army that the New Essential Chronology states as officially part of Legends continuity.
Technically Anakin and Dooku did fight in a cutscene in the 2002 Clone Wars game. What I think is interesting is that Anakin has a reason to be pissed in ROTS. There is a reaction shot in the film of Anakin getting visibly angry with Dooku using the Force to throw a ledge on Obi-Wan.
Yeah there is, but I always took his character to be as Count Dooku says. He gets angry, but he still tries to be a Jedi and not let it control him. Obi Wan got angry at Maul too when he (first) killed him.
Yeah, thats how I read it too, but I guess it is still arguable that Dooku's taunting allows Anakin to give in to his personal angst towards Dooku. Like "You wouldn't give in to your anger, Skywalker. You are a Jedi after all." Which is just a gateway into someone, well, doing the exact opposite
Nothing technical about it, Dooku and Anakin do fight Quoting myself from the Labyrinth of Evil read through thread. https://boards.theforce.net/threads...-trilogy-read-through-and-dicussion.50054356/
I get the opposite impression from a that scene. Anakin is very comfortable with using his anger. You can hear him growl when he kicks dooku down the platform. During the saber block Dooku severely miscalculates. He does not realize that anakin is not a novice when it comes to using fear and anger. The choreography and the music actually does get more intense after dooku's taunt. The big difference with death star duel in episode 6 is that unlike luke, anakin does not wail blows on dooku because he is more experience with the darkside and he knows how to channel it with more sophistication. He uses the dark side to beat dooku back with a quick and precise series of powerful blows that takes his off balance and he uses it to improve his foot work so he could sneak into dooku defenses and cut his hands off. Rewatch the scene with that in mind and you will see Anakin's reliance on the darkside be more apparent. Also keep an eye out for his slouching shoulders. Its a detail that Nick Gallard the stunt coordinator put in to show Anakin's over confidence in battle. Its more pronounced at the end of the movie but you can already see it during the duel.
Also in legends Anakin and Dooku dueled twice before ROTS. In fact in the Evasive Action comic strip that acts as a prelude and a companion to ROTS Yoda mentioned that Anakin has lost two duels against Dooku when Palpatine asks that Anakin is sent on the mission to capture Dooku on Tythe. This is meant to tie in to the events of labyrinth of evil and it references the duel from the clone wars videogame. I have not read all of Labyrinth so it possible yoda has the same line of dialogue in the book as well in it.
If my memory serves, Lucas told Lucenno that Dooku was best friends with Master Sifo dyas before killing him as part of his sith initiation and to take over the clone army he ordered. The timing of Sifo Dyas's death was changed by the clone wars tv show but I am not sure who made the call Lucas or Filoni. Originally Dyas died after TPM but TCW changed it to before. Its unclear why the change was made. I will link a video in which Filoni makes it seems he is the one who made the change to fix the timeline problem the script had : My guess is that the timeline problem arose from the fact that they needed chancellor valorum to be the one who sealed sifo dyas's file and not palpatine or else it would be to obvious to the jedi that palpatine was covering up something. Also its important to keep in mind that in AOTC obi wan does say that sifo dyas was murdered over 10 years ago which takes us to the time before TPM. Its also important to keep in mind that sifo dyas was the product of a typo. Originally sidious would have used the alias sido dyas to pass himself as a jedi but lucas ended up liking the idea that the sith would manipulate a real jedi to order the clone army. Lucas asked Lucenno to wrap up the mystery of sifo dyas because he never got around to provide the answer in revenge of the sith like he originally planned. Apparently Lucas vetoed Lucenno killing off Ventress in labyrinth of evil. Ironically Katie Lucas ended up pitching the script that killed her off whereas lucas originally wanted her fate to be ambiguous.
Interesting, but I disagree. As i said,, Obi Wan also looks pretty angry when he kills Maul in TPM. Also like I said, I think Dooku's line is accurate. Anakin is trying to suppress his fear and anger. This seems like Lucas' characterization of Anakin throughout Epiodes 2 and 3 as someone who is actively ashamed of every little step he takes toward the dark side. ("I'm a Jedi, I know I'm better than this", "I want more... and I know I shouldn't". " I'm not the Jedi I should be". He even feels shame after Palpatine goads him into cutting off Dooku's head, implying that in Anakin's mind, that was the first thing he did in that fight that went against the Jedi code. And finally, I really do not think the music changes. If this (beating Dooku, not the cutting his head off part) was supposed to be some step toward the dark side for Anakin, i think the score would have been more emotional and less emotionally neutral.
The music does change. It may not be more emotional but the pacing is more intense. In fact the music is barely audible before dooku's taunt. The music is not more emotional at this point because using the dark side to beat back dooku is not a new step for anakin. What is new is him directly killing an unarmed prisoner. In TPM Obi wan used his anger against Maul but it backfired on him because he was a novice. Anakin is not a novice. During the clone wars tv show we already see him use the dark side when for example he successfully force chokes ventress. Also Dooku is dead wrong about Anakin. TCW goes to a lot of length to show that Dooku underestimates Anakin especially during their one on one duels. Dooku taunted anakin thinking he did not know how to use the darkside and he would be unbalance by it. His effort backfired on him. Finally Anakin being ashamed foes not mean he does not use the darkside. A smoker might be ashamed of smoking but he can still smoke. The darkside is often compared to an addiction so i think the smoker allegory works.
