ST Rey Skywalker/Daisy Ridley Discussion Thread

Don’t forget about the GOT guys doing a movie right up until they weren’t.

 

When's Rian Johnson's trilogy starting again? /s

 

Got guys had this thing called a Netflix deal, RJ wants to make knives out 2 and is no rush to make new star wars. the solo directors went for too mutch comedy and didn't understand Han Solo and Star Wars. Edwards it is shame about him.

 

The Netflix deal was a way to save face. There's no way they willingly gave up Star Wars for that, not after they rushed the end of GOT just so they could get started ASAP. If they did that'd honestly be a way bigger indictment of the current state of Star Wars than if they were just "allowed to go in a different direction" after all their PR blunders coincidentally right before the announcement was made that they weren't continuing.

 

Maybe they just cound't come with a good story or didn't know how to make it work. I mean without written material they not good writers. they are decent directors.

 

the term "solo directors" has some irony attached.

 

When TFA came out, I was definitely partial to Rey being a Kenobi, but after TLJ, I much prefer the message and everything it implied about Rey being a nobody.

If they want to salvage the ST story, I think it's still doable. But in terms of Obi-Wan, I don't think it'd be hard to still connect them. Satine's situation could still work. Maybe even during the hermit years, Obi-Wan discovers that he has a child/grandchildren, and that itself could be a story where he has to choose between watching over Luke and his own family. The Palpatine stuff can just be that he was lying cause he saw how well the family thing worked for Vader. You could even have Rey operating under the idea she's a Palpatine, "Skywalker" in name for decades and then an older Rey or some other character finding out there's more to the truth after all.

Anyway, just spitballing.

 

Personally i think this is why RJ is abit more argumentative with fans these days. i think he is abit bitter by the fan response that probably has got Lucasfilm less sure about letting him make another movie.

 

The unfortunate thing about Rey is that post TFA how she was perceived was largely determined by the perception of her attitude towards Kylo and to a lesser extent Luke. Reylo zealots, who arguably became the loudest online supporters of the sequel trilogy, pretty much diminished Rey to being the presumed girlfriend of Kylo who had to prove herself worthy of his love. As a result their approval of her was contingent on how they felt she treated their favorite genocidal icon whom they loved to paint as the universe's greatest victim. Honestly this would be the measurement by which they would judge all directors, book and comic writers, journalists and bloggers, producers, and studio heads as well: how sympathetic they were to Kylo.

But this became more tragic for Rey considering the significance of her being the first true female lead of a SW trilogy and the expectations of what that was supposed to mean. Yet in the minds of large block of moviegoers she ended up being diminished to Kylo's arm candy, her main purpose reduced to serving as a loving support system for Kylo. If she ended up fulfilling that goal, the Reylos would adore her, if they felt she failed in any way on that front she would receive their undeniable scorn. Clearly she was only the second favorite half of this undeclared coupling.

The irony is that during the buildup to the release of TFA there was this attitude that Finn's power capabilities, his arc and any relationship he had with Rey should be limited in order to not crowd Rey on her pedestal and force her to share the spotlight. Lo and behold that ended up occurring but the culprit was Kylo and his unnecessary redemption storyline.

 

I don't think there will ever be a Rian Johnson's trilogy. Kathleen Kennedy said in recent interview that Star Wars is on a break for the next 3-4 years... Assuming Kathleen Kennedy will still stay at Lucasfilm which I doubt, especially with Disney bleeding money with this pandemic and having to refocus its goals and reshape its business model...

 

As whole, the main problem of Sequel ttilogy was this that Disney and Lucasfilm just made them to do fan service rather than actually tell a good story.
-First of all episode 7 was a remake of 4.
-All the OT cast were brought back for fan service.
-We had Reylo fans that they just tried to please with episodes 8 and 9.

I also don't like the way they did Vader fan service in Rogue One and JFO and made him appear more powerful than the way he should really be.

 

KK will still be on until she finds a replacement. RJ is still on until we have confirmation of them going away. And i Doubt that as RJ has made many friends inside LucasFilm, including Dave Filoni who recently prasied RJ who helped him making it to live action and has made it known he likes the TLJ. KK supports him.

 

I'm confused now. I thought the established opinion (read that generalization) of the reyloers is that they are just a genocidal-sociopath-monster-abusive-relationship-worshipping vocal minority of fans. Why would anyone bother with fan servicing that particular group?

 

Money.

 

If they are a minority, then there is no money in pleasing them.
Next?

 

I think that assumes that they're seen as a minority or that those that seek to please them care that they are, as long as some money gets exchanged.

 

The alot of reasonable reylos and they a many of them and there's money there. The Reylo scenes are best of this trilogy.

 

Rey the jedi was the vision, and the character making that choice, with the threats of Rey Nobody joining Ben Nobody, that is Kylo (VIII) and Rey Palpatine (IX) being a part of her path. They are discarded, hence Rey Skywalker, a jedi surname. Anakin>Luke>Rey.

Rey Kenobi is a legacy surname. Because of him Luke and Leia met each other, and because of him ignoring Luke in Bespin, Luke called Leia through the force. That's why his voice is at the same time young and old in TFA/TROS. He was the jedi who mediated Skywalker siblinghood, and that's what happens between Rey and Ben. You can see traces of those ideas in the finished films. It was about Rey making the choice, adopting her family.

You allow these possibilities to proliferate, knowing that a)she was to become a jedi and b)she had to choose her identity. Family had to be a way of becoming before being a matter of belonging, and that's more or less what Maz said to Rey in TFA.
In this way, you allow yourself freedom when it comes to writing the stories. You are in fact writing Rey writing her own story. A jedi story. That part never changed.

Rey Solana (Solo+Organa) sounds like something Ben came up with once. Only Kylo knows her name in that draft. 'Their daughter. They are afraid of me, I was not supposed to know'.

 

But if they are a minority and the most of audience sees reylo as a perversion then pleasing the minority risks displeasing the majority of fans who are anti reylo, and that has a direct backlash in the profits because people don't go see what they don't like. So your math doesn't add up.
Making more money can not be the reason behind pleasing the minority of a population if the majority of that population opposes that idea.

LOL...what is a reasonable reylo?

 

Funny story - most Reylos aren’t Reylos, they are really Kylo fans. See @Tatooine Twilight Twins excellent post above. Kennedy seems to be the lead fan, with Johnson. So many articles about how wonderful Kylo was after TLJ, how he was a victim, how “hot” Reylo was. So LFL steered right into it.

 

Funnier story - you're painting with a very broad brush and generalizing a group of people unfairly. Many Reylos don't have Twitter accounts (I don't). Many Reylos don't have Tumblr accounts (I don't). I have belonged to two online Reylo forums and there is a wide variety of fans there. Some are more into Kylo, some are more into Rey. Some love Rey Random, some dislike it intensely. There is a wide spectrum of opinions among them on everything about Rey, Kylo, Ben, and Reylo, and they argue their differences just as passionately as do the fans here. Believe it or not, I've yet to come across one that is a Twilight fan or a Fifty Shades fan, though that has often been asserted here. I've never read either book myself or seen their film adaptations. There are also plenty of male Reylo fans, though I have seen the assumption made that they are all female.

In short, Reylos come in all varieties. They are fans just like other fans, with all that the term entails, good and bad.

 

So people actually have a problem with kyloers, not reyloers. Who are even bigger minority than the reyloers.

OK...So my question again, why would anyone bother with fanservicing the vast(er) minority of fans (labeled kyloers)?
To please the director they (Disney) allegedly hate and got rid off because he was proreyloist? Why did JJ then fortified reylo in TRoS with that kiss? He could have end it without it and stick it to those kyloers that he even couldn't get her?
Makes no sense to me all these conspiracy theories. It is too complicated. The truth is usually very simple.
And I'd say the trope of a heroine falling for a bad boy redeeming him with her love is well established in cinematic history because it works and it is legitimate that the producers who want to earn money from their product (the movies) give the masses what works for them?

@Classified8 Exactly. The generalizations are the problem. As is seeing things in black and white when reality is 50 shades of gray (funny pun intended here ). It creates prejudice. Which is a path to dark side, lol.

 

Fanservice in what way? They tried to give everyone some table scraps in TROS, all fangroups and hardly anyone was happy with that. Reylos certainly didn`t seem to be happy that he dropped dead and was forgotten right after the kiss. And afterwards there was some "oh, it was just a platonic kiss" backpedaling from the novel, I think. So their fanservicing was all over the place in that movie.

Beyond that, if they made a Reylo comic where she makes sweet love to his Force ghost or whatever, that would obviously be geared to Reylos. But it would be just a comic that could be easily retconned by the next material and 98 % of people would have no idea it even existed.

Books and especially comics are for servicing minorities. And it`s not big deal because any majority that might exist never really takes notice of those. They are way easier and cheaper to produce than movies or TV so you can produce a small amount of them for a particular target audience and hopefully make a small profit of those.

If they thought the character has become iconic and had vast potential they wanted to mine and a hug audience just waiting for him, they would have mandated he lived throughout the movie and locked Driver down for either more movies or his own TV show.

They didn`t do that. To be fair, they didn`t do that with Rey either. Apparently they were happy enough to move on from the ST characters for the time being.

The girl in ships is almost always measured by how "nice" she is to the guy. It`s very, very, very rare that het shipping isn`t weighed completely towards the male character (though even slash ships often have a fave). Only really strongly written and beloved female characters can withstand the backlash of being "mean" to the guy in any way. Whereas in the reverse, the bar is much higher.

 

She never once enters into an abusive relationship with him. In fact, she specifically rejects that prospect when offered to her. It is Kylo who spends the entire runtime of the third movie chasing after her and here again she rejects him.

And let me ask you something, if Reylo is as harmful and demeaning as you say then why do so many women enjoy the story? Are they just too stupid and not woke enough to appreciate how harmful the media they enjoy is?