ST Rey Skywalker/Daisy Ridley Discussion Thread

For the life of me, I will never understand why they just didn't make her Luke or Leias daughter... It was always the simplest/most interesting way to go.

 

I'd just like you to tell me when Rey entered into an abusive relationship with Kylo

 

Huxlo, or what's it called, supporters got nothing so that statement is not valid. Not everyone was fan serviced.
So if they fanserviced reylo it must be either because reyloers are not a minority and/or they don't consider reylo as toxic. And if they (the creators of ST) don't consider reylo toxic they must have some material back up for that such as GA opinion research on the topic or, i don't know, the comprehension of creators not making it toxic in the first place.

So presented in books is or isn't important? Or is important only when it undermines reylo but not when it fortifies it? *even more confused now*

Lol, i have to make the joke here but having Luke catch that lightsaber (on film) they have technically made cannonically feasible for Force Ghosts to interact with the real world e.g. a human in such a way

How do you know that isn't in the works?

It is human nature. Which is why it is a romantic stereotype.

A question, if you don't mind, since I have seen you bring the people-who-think-Leia-should-be-nicer-are-sexist-misogynists presumption a few times now:
Han in ESB tells that to Leia. That she should be nicer.
Is he a sexist and misogynist?

Tell that to Kanji klub. There is anything positive in shaming people for liking what they like. However "bad" it may be for them. Or implying all who like Reylo support abusive and toxic relationships.
Maybe one day we can ban chocolate too and become even healthier society...oh and coffee...coffeine is a drug, n'est ce pas?
Things are not black and white. Shades of gray...more than 50 I'd say.

Can you please clarify what you mean here? That romance isn't the characteristic of male centric movies or that SW always was a male centric movie? Or both?

 

Nah, she specifically rejects the abuse when he gaslights her about being nobody but not to him. I know that info isn't convenient to your narrative though.

 

I complain about being labeled a toxic fan for not liking certain recent developments so I suppose I must be consistent and not lump all Reylos in together.

 

Nice try.
I only acknowledged that this is how their relationship is considered.

 

You are acting like Rey stayed in an abusive relationship and loved Kylo into being a better man. The exact opposite is the case. She never gives herself to him, never sticks around. Kylo’s parents turn him to the light and then he runs toward Rey to save her in her greatest time of need. It was the love of his parents and his love FOR Rey that saved him.


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So she was waiting for him to be fixed or she was actively involved in the fixing?

Not sure where you're getting this Rey is pure idea. The Last Jedi is the one movie that actually gives her flaws, by making her emotional neediness a liability for her. And then TROS focuses on her anger which is spiraling out of control. Did you have a problem with Luke's moral purity as well?

 

Simple Luke was a jedi and jedi are not supposed to have children, they are monks. Even GL didnt like Luke having children. The only way she was going to be a Skywalker is trough Leia.

 

I actually prefer this reasoning. Love redeems, true, but his parents love. A true unconditional love. I can also argue he loved her unconditionally too, but that in Kylo's thread.

And that reasoning also then favors Rey by liberating her from that role of a good girl falling for bad boy trope. I kinda like that.

@anakinfansince1983 I am not raising you anything, I am just disagreeing that everything romance related we see in star wars is misogynist and/or sexist. I really don't think that was ever an intention of anyone.

 

If you diagree that a lot of the romance in Star Wars is misogynist or sexist I think you need to look up the definitions of those as much as I enjoy the OT Han and Leia have some serious problems if you look at it form a 2020 POV but is overall positive. Anakin and Padme have a ton of problems as well that fall into the misogynist and sexist category. Their confrontation on Mustafar. We haven't even talked about Kylo and Rey here yet but that's been done all over this thread. Star Wars definitely has a problem with romance period you can dive into both the new and old canon as well there are lots of issues their. I think the best relationship we have gotten was in Lost Stars so overall I think we have like one really good relationship in all of Star Wars so yeah it's not doing well at all.

 

I agree the ESB Han/Leia dialogue is a bit sexist but Leia gives it right back to Han. A lot of the dialogue was written by Leigh Brackett, who wrote some Cary Grant romantic comedies, so we're going back to the 1940's/50's dynamics on that one. Still, both characters evolve, and it's played mostly for laughs, and is of the time period.

 

That one completely slipped my mind. Yes Kanan and Hera is also very good.

I agree Han and Leia definitely works and if you look at it from a 1980s lenses there aren't many issues with it but it's very much a product of the times and something that wouldn't be acceptable in 2020

 

Oh come on. Just because not every crackship got a scrap doesn`t mean they didn`t hand out table scraps to lots more people than Reylos. Who do you think Rey Palpatine was for? People who didn`t like her to be a nobody. And who do you think Rey "Skywalker" was for? People who wanted her to be one. None of those things was done with starry-eyed Reylos in mind. The smooch was.

They tried to fanservice - nearly - everyone a little bit in the movies because they didn`t want another super-divisive reaction to it. It was more intended to be happy go lucky fluff. But Reylos were never anything special in terms of being serviced there. Otherwise they would have gotten the entire movie they wanted they wanted, including an endgame and everyone else would have gotten nothing.

I highly doubt they any research beyond going online and searching "so, what seem to be the most common complaints about the last movie". And GA research would be worthless because GA is like my best friend who still, to this day, despite seeing all three movies and liking them can`t even remember the names "Rey" and "Kylo". She watches the movies and then forgets those characters even exist. She couldn`t care less about their ship happening or not.

Books and comics in Star Wars have always been made for more of niche fandom. Lucasfilm can spout whatever they want of everything being of equal value but if most people never read the books or comics and never know of their existance, it`s a pretty moot point.

So the backpedalling from the kiss in a novel holds the same relative value as any Reylo novel would hold. Fans of the material would seek it out and others wouldn`t even know it existed. It is much harder to not know a billion dollar movie exists. You often at least catch something from it, even by accident, from seeing a trailer or fans talking or some marketing stunt.

Sure. I wouldn`t care less if they did. I couldn`t care less that fanfic is written about them either. I think both characters, individually and together are devoid of any narrative value.

Because if it was such a white-hot property they were desperate to pursue, they would have announced it right away. And in today`s day and age, you can forget that if they had signed on Driver for more, it would have remained a big secret. Not to mention that would have defeated the purpose of marketing.

That`s how I know that specific thing is not in the work even remotely right now.

 

[...](Non-Black) FinnPoe shippers are absolutely obsessed with Oscar Isaac and Poe Dameron and the discussion of the relationship's potential itself was largely centered around whether Poe might be gay, with little consideration/discussion about Finn's potential sexuality (he's almost treated like the heterosexual object of affection that's "converted" into a m/m romance). Finn is effectively an ornament, so the end result is a fanbase that's largely racist and thrives on fetishizing Finn's time as a slave with the First Order (as a segue for smut fics), and turning him into a Mammy who comforts 32 year old Poe like a child.

 

Shipping always struck me as a fan fringe thing. which is fine; whatever floats your boat but it shouldn't be something that drives or influences the filmmakers imo.

 

From my vantage point if that was the case I would have even a smaller regard for the sequel trilogy than I already have. I can't think of one Rey-Kylo onscreen moment that's truly memorable other than the one that takes place in the red throne room. And that was more because of how good the fight was rather than how Rey or Kylo interacted. Truth be told that even over the course of three movies the two of them rarely spent time in the same frame other than to mostly battle or be antagonistic towards one another. And there was no magic between Ridley and Driver that would even lead me to begrudgingly concede that while I disagreed with the pairing the two had an undeniable chemistry. Nope. Nothing like that at all from what I saw although this is all subjective anyway. In my opinion Ridley's strongest work in the franchise wasn't when she was working alongside Driver.

 

I like Han and Leia romance even in 2020. It simply works for those characters. The witty lines, teasing humor, sarcasm.
How I always remember them (specially during the courtship ANH and start of ESB) they behave as equals, no hesitation or false consideration of some societal norms, behaving kinda similarly foolish in denying the evident attraction towards eachother (foolish in love), wearing that facade (or mask if you will) of apparent disinterest. But not being able to not react to one another. I thought it kinda progressive for the typical romances of the period. Never thought it sexist or mysoginyst. Why, Han is the first of the two who actually owns up to his emotions.
Perhaps I really do need to look up the definitions of the terms. As well as to rewatch it to see who starts first with teasing...

 

TLJ reads very much like a Reylo fanfic. I remember when TLJ came out, someone accused RJ of stealing from their fanfic. Clearly that was a ridiculous accusation, but it did amuse me greatly that TLJ had so many fanfic tropes that his movie (even coincidentally) overlapped so much with a shipper fanfic.