love em. just wish they'd had more to do and speaking parts.. wish their fight had lasted longer with Ben and we'd seen them killing Lukes students
That's been retconned. Currently, it was a bolt of lightning that blew up the temple and killed the students there (save three who were away at the time)
There was never any canon suggestion that the Knights of Ren were at all involved in killing Luke's students in the first place AFAIK.
There wasnt. People thought that might have happend due to the Vision of Rey in TFA where you Luke and the burning temple and then the Knights of Ren with Kylo.
I wish they were a group of Vader cultists that follow Kylo because he shares Vader's bloodline, or even a group of Luke's students that he threatened to kill if they didn't pledge loyalty. The canon explanation for them is super weak, I don't dig the whole "they're just a pre-existing gang Ben stumbled into" thing. They get one fight scene, only against Kylo, and they die in seconds. I swear the ones that carry guns didn't even get to do anything. It's like every time LFL had the opportunity to come up with epic lore worthy of SW or to use the cool ideas they bumbled into, they dropped the ball every single time.
I'm sure there's some book or comic that explains it but as one of the many audience members who don't read those it's very strange to me that the trilogy is over and I haven't got a clue who got stabbed or did the stabbing in that scene, or why they were fighting at all.
I'm not sure what their function was. I think they worked better in TFA, where they were just shadowy figures in a force projection. Other than that, they had no real function in the story, other than as a set of anonymous bodies for Kylo/Ben to defeat in combat.
Yeah, I never believed that myself because the 'visions' were chronological. The temple burning comes before the vision of 'random hat dude' getting killed by Kylo, and he definitely wasn't any sort of student.
I think the vision was just meant to show the brutality of Kylo Ren and his gang. But honestly it may have been less confusing if that had been communicated through words rather than a vision. But they were probably never intended to be more than dark-side Boba Fetts. Though I agree, there’s still so much that could be done with that. I mean the original concept of the Sith was that they were a clan of pirates who were taught the ways of the dark side and the Force by a fallen Jedi. How cool would it be to see a “modern day” parallel to that sort of situation?
TBH I called them being nothing more than Boba Fetts the moment Snoke said 'Knights of Ren' in the first film. I don't know if 'cynical' is the right word, but there's only a very limited amount of attention a ~2 hour film can devote to characters over its runtime, that time is simply never going to be spent productively on six people who aren't part of the core narrative (if they weren't in the first film, they're very likely not part of the core narrative) and the way we fans have this obsession with assuming every character with a cool outfit or mysterious name is going to get some sort of awesome involved backstory or really cool badass moment is very Lucy With the Football. I assumed that TROS would at most have a 'lead character' KOR and five other flunkies who were basically featured extras. Instead they just made them all flunkies.
I agree. I thought we’d get more focus on them in Episode IX, especially with Phasma and Snoke gone and Kylo in charge. And we did get some of that, but only in terms of visuals. It’s now clear JJ did not mean for them to be equals to Kylo at all, at least not in the sense of being advisors or people to discuss his plans with. They’re his primary enforcers, and keeping them silent probably does more to strengthen the impression they project than anything they could have said in a few minutes. Plus, I guess at that point they also had the potential to steal some of the spotlight. Maybe if Palpatine hadn’t been in Episode IX, they would’ve had a much bigger role. To me the strangest thing is that even in the comic book The Rise of Kylo Ren, we mainly see the knights through the lens of their former leader. But again, this makes more sense if it was done to keep them silent and threatening.
In retrospect, I'm a bit surprised that the Knights of Ren weren't involved in the Pasaana speeder chase. That could have amped up the stakes of an otherwise perfunctory sequence, and I think would have flowed better into Kylo's arrival later.
The 'clan leader' (Mark Stanley) is listed as a KOR in the TFA credits. But he doesn't look like one, just like...a clan leader. Was he some kind of infiltrator? Rey's parents belonged to the 'clan' in those 2015 leaks. The clan had been attacked by the KOR repeatedly. Little Rey was wearing 'war clothes' in the flashback, according to Cailey Fleming, the actress who played that part. This KOR/clan leader was killed before TFA but after Ben turned. It's the only footage we have about that period, and it ends in a suspended note: Kylo walks toward someone who's not there (Rey). But there's another person behind her. And the KOR/clan leader was trying to kill this person when he was stabbed. In the Kylo Ren comic (a section called 'long ago') the KOR are looking for someone a)capable of using the force and b)capable of causing a good death (killing a loved one) We see Ren, their leader, and the other 6 knights. They are trying to recruit another KOR. As for Luke's temple, 2 weeks before TLJ was released the audience was informed about Snoke having trained 'at least' one other apprentice. In the comic the temple is destroyed via air strike, like Kurtz's compound in Coppola's film. If Luke was Kurtz for others -his methods 'unsound'- maybe there was a Willard. 'Infiltrate and terminate his command with extreme prejudice' The KOR look like a bunch of misfits from another era. When Kylo says 'my knights' you have a sense of their (non) importance at that point of the game. Snoke speaks about that 'ridiculous thing', the helmet, and the KOR are a part of Kylo's irrelevant parafernalia to his master(s)
For what it's worth, I think there's more of a connection between the Luke looking at the destroyed jedi school part and the Knights of Ren part. There it starts raining and then it transitions to a place where it's raining. If we were to view Kylo leaving Luke's school and destroying it as 2 separate events, in theory Kylo could've left, joined Snoke, became leader of the knights of ren and then returned with them and destroyed the school, where, in theory, a student of Luke could've escaped and Kylo and knights confronted them. Though, at the time, I think I thought it was showing a future event, maybe in a planned future confrontation in a future movie. lol. "planned" How naive of me.
Did anyone notice that one of the knights actually has a Beskar ancient Mandalorian battle vibro-ax(Ap-lek)
