The Mandalorian The Mandalorian 2.08 - Chapter 16 (Season Finale!!) - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I agree, they were so menacing.

 

My theory is that Grogu is still too young/immature to be involved with things during the ST time frame-- he's off somewhere being hidden and looked after while he comes into his power. Then he'll be one of the key characters to launch the first post-ST trilogy.

 

I don’t think Grogu will look much different than he does now by the time of the ST

 

Empire Strikes Back challenged the audience and is the most popular Star Wars movie. Redeeming Vader challenges the audience and is now iconic. Back then most just wanted Luke to kick Vader’s a$$. Lucas instead came up with something compelling and not easy to accept.

 

ICAM on all counts. A lot of questions need to be answered about Gideon. And what are they going to do w/Grogu's blood??

The goodbye...heartbreaking. Din did say they'd meet again so who knows.

Oh & Kylo….considering the timeline I figure he'd have bounced long before and found Din.

That was an AWESOME scene! I love R2! Seeing Luke in his post-ROTJ prime was an epic scene.

 

I can reason the "retcon." I don't think it was a retcon per se. Sabine gave Bo Katan the darksaber. So, Clans Wren, Kryze, and the other couple when this occurred were OK with it. Obviously, Bo Katan and the other few clans failed to retake Mandalore, and it probably has to do with her not being the rightful heir to the darksaber. All the other Mandalorians probably looked at her like a failure. I think Gideon's expository monologue was both for noobs who don't know anything about the saber and its traditions and to point out Bo Katan's failure to reunite Mandalore by wrongfully taking the darksaber from Sabine.

Honestly, isn't the rightful heir to Mandalore Luke? He defeated Vader, who defeated Obi Wan, who defeated Maul. Maul never lost the darksaber. The last battle we saw for "it" was Saxon vs Sabine. Who knows, but I would be satisfied with the explanation I gave. I doubt Filoni would not catch such an oversight without intention.

 

Still a bit let down that Luke didn’t struggle against the dark troopers at all

 

And obviously Bo Katan did not want to make the same mistake by just taking the darksaber again.

 

So people are just going to ignore the CANON The Rise of Kylo Ren comics because it’s not what they thought happened lol. It’s so funny seeing people just pick and chose what they want to believe. Kylo didn’t murder them students people (well one a couple days later).

 

People have been doing that for decades. I just roll with it your right of course. On canon Kylo didn’t Kill anyone when the temple blew up

 

I was listening to John Campea's stream today and apparently Pablo Hidalgo once said that if any "canon" disagrees with film media then it's not canon. I found this interesting.

 

Well the comics don’t disagree with the films. The films are all generic assumptions stated by characters. They assumed he killed them kids, but they were not actually there. So they had no idea that Ben didn’t actually murder anyone.

Also I saw that Campea streamed for 3+ hours today haha. He definitely got his fan boy dream with Luke.

 

Also I don’t know if I trust him but it does sound something like what Hildago would say

 

tweets like these is why I can take most of this fandom seriously. “Big balls”?!?!???? Putting Luke in here and making him a GOD was literally the LEAST risky move they could have done. Also it wasn’t surprising at all. I thought Luke was going to be the Jedi after season one.

 

So, a statistical sample of 2 examples. Gotcha. Luke redeemed Vader AFTER he kicked his ***. And I love every single thing that Lucas has done, because he could challenge the audience perfectly. ALWAYS. That doesn't mean it's a law of Physics. For every time that someone challenged the audience and succeeded, I can give you 10 examples of people challenging the audience and failiing.

Disney has LITERALLY told us to pick whatever canon we want, because they have messed up with their stories across all media and platforms that they have fallen into many inconsistencies. I personally don't care about Kylo Ren either way, but my choice of preference, approved by Disney, is to just all around completely render all stories with Kylo Ren non canon in my head.

It was ballsy by Favreu because he succeeded where everyone else was too scared to go. And he delivered. If it wasn't risky, then they would have done it already. They had at least 3 chances to do it, and no one took the risk. Well now someone took the risk to show Luke Skywalker and have more than 90% of the fans losing their mind over it, in a good way. If you think that's not risky, you haven't been paying attention to the conversations about Luke Skywalker in the last 30 years.

 

That's peculiar sounding but I think works. I think by & large the Canon has done well aligning.

 

I agree. Dunno if you like/watch Hellogreedo who is known as a huge cynic to a lot of fan-service stuff, but even he had nothing but good things to say because Luke showing up just felt natural. Who else would? Not Ezra or Ahsoka. Filoni even has been tongue and cheek and won't tell anyone if the Rebels epilogue is before/after Ahsoka's appearance in the Mandalorian.

 

Have you ever considered that people just haven’t read them ?

It must be a stretch to believe as that doesn’t fit your narrative but heyho

 

Luke force projecting across the Galaxy to save the entire resistance and not having to actually engage in combat is a hell of a lot more iconic than him slicing up some iron man droids. They didn’t over use him in the ST because it wasn’t his story anymore. He took the spotlight away from Din in this episode, as all anyone on the web is talking about is Luke now.

 

That’s fine but the people i am calling out have read them.

 

For me, Luke in Mandalorian was just showing him being a badass master, whereas his projection showed maturation into a grandmaster. The few seconds of him floating on that rock and the close-up is my favorite scene from TLJ. I don't think he took the spotlight from Din. Din taking off his helmet stood out for so many people and it was perfectly executed because it was Grogu who was asking and Din saw that and put aside his beliefs.

 

To quote a far more iconic character than whoever it was that Mark Hamill portrayed 3 years ago, "unfortunately for you, history will not see it that way".

Luke Skywalker took the spotlight for a few days. He deserves a LOT MORE. The Mandalorian will continue and Din Djarin will stay in the hearts of people as one of the great Star Wars characters. This is where Favreau and Filoni succeeded, and the latter has succeeded time and again. He has given us Ahsoka Tano, Kanan Jarrus, Hera Syndulla, Bo Katan, Sabine Wren, Ezra Bridger and we LOVE these characters now, and they are not being overshadowed by Anakin or Obi-Wan or anyone else. In this list we will have Kuill, Cara Dune, and possibly many more when The Mandalorian is over.

Luke Skywalker in yesterday's episode was the best Luke Skywalker we have seen in action. This is no small feat. It deserves praise and it deserves to be celebrated.

You will see that The Mandalorian and all the stuff it has given us will stay iconic, far more than many Star Wars things. There is a reason people are obsessing about it in an overwhelming majority.

 

I loved the music, Ludwig continues to be a beast on every soundtrack he does. He could've easily gone for the force theme the whole time, or something bombastic, but he opted for a more somber and graceful sound that (for me at least) matches Luke so well. It feels less like "Hell Yeah Kickass Luke" and more like "Hopeful, Inspiring Luke", so I appreciate that.

I didn't even grow up on Luke Skywalker, but I love the character and the hope that he represents both in-universe and in our real world. So him arriving to help those in need, with that music, made me well up a bit. I'm glad to see so many fans both old and new be touched so deeply by this episode, and seeing people literally brought to tears from certain moments.

I think it's been such a strange, difficult year for everyone, and I think many are tired of dark and cynical stories in general to the point that something like this just hits so much harder. Above all I'm glad that Mark got to bring forth a version of Luke that was less divisive and sparked joy in the community after how worried he was about the sequels.

 

I love Hellogreedo. I do agree the Luke appearance was great and felt natural. I just don’t like some of the takes that I’m seeing acting like Jon Favreau pulled off some huge risk miracle by putting him in there in God mode. That’s literally Star Wats wet dream material duhh the fans will like it, that’s not risky at all.

 

Luke Skywalker doesn’t deserve anything. He literally was the lead of a trilogy and has been in 6 movies. It’s time to focus on other things. I’m not trying to argue with you I loved the moment yesterday. But acting like it was a power play by Favreau is a joke.