Lit Lets talk Space Vikings (a discussion about the Nihil)

*shrug* I guess I still think of the old EU when I think of the origin of Grievous's face plate.

Marchion's hands do not seem human enough to be something like a Mirilian, but I could be wrong. Ikkrukians are a Soule species so that might give it the upper edge for something the authors would choose (so too similar species designed in the Disney era).

Looking this subject up on other sites, the possibility of Squataman has been raised. I've not read that Poe comic yet, but they seem to have the same long-nailed fingers as Marchion Ro, and the skin and hair are similar. Also we have a tradition to associate pointy-eared species with every unknown species on this forum.

 

Hm. Hmm.



Blue skin.

Red eye.

 

Even if he's not a Delphidian like Sidon Ithano, the helmets do share resemblance and I don't see why Marchion Ro couldn't be a Kaleesh, potentially. Or would that make his backstory and Grievous' backstory seem repetitive?

I bring up Ikkrukkian for primarily one reason: the current ESB-era Marvel series introduced Burnium Ro, an Ikkrukkian warlord who associates himself with the Nihil. Even if he's not a literal descendant of Marchion Ro, he's connected enough with the legacy of the Nihil to the point that he was given or adopted a similar name to their once-leaders. Plus, that sort of association appears to hold sway on the planet of Ikkrukk where Burnium Ro is based out of.

Chiss is also a possibility, although I think the book says he's grey rather than blue. It's also worth noting that whatever he is, he's got on a helmet with only one eye. Does that mean he only has one eye? Is he literally the Eye of the Nihil? I also can't help but notice how much his concept art's collar piece resembles Vader's collar piece, but I don't know if that's relevant.

 

Pantoran?

 

Sorry but to me the only real Space Vikings will ever be there guys

 

Wait are that space vikings in legends ? There are swords, !

 

No its just Warhammer.....IN SPACE........

Also known as Warhammer 40k.

 

Awesome discussion! I don't like terrorists in RL or in SW where they just blow things up just for the hell of it. Who cares how many innocents die? I don't agree in pillaging and conquering just to acquire territory etc. like we see in European history, etc., but at least that was a rationale on one side. Timothy Zahn with Grand Admiral Thrawn in EU Legends spoilt me for antagonists. He was brilliant but not infallible, was fighting for something he felt was the "right side." It wasn't just a power grab or a land grab. He was a thoughtful tactical strategist not half-baked.

 

In Warhammer 40k there is a faction of Space Marines who are Vikings in Space called the Space Wolves. They come from a planet named Fenris.

They wield giant axes, have rune sigils all over there armor. Go into battle with gigantic wolves at their side. Sometimes turn into Werewolves. Some of their Characters are Named Bjorn the Fell handed, Logan Grimmnar, Erik Morkai, Harold DeathWolf, Lukas the Trickster, and Ragnar Black mane.

 

An elegant weapon for more civilized time.

 

Eh, just give me a simple blaster any time of the day.

 

Chainsword go BRRRR. Right @Gamiel

 

He's depicted without the helmet, though, isn't he?

I'd check my copy of LOTJ but it just got basically destroyed in an overflowing coffee pot incident, which is bumming me out just a bit.

 

So far we assumed this era will not focus on the Sith at all and has new villains. What are the secret Sith up to in all this ongoing that could befit them quite well? The usual obvious plot would be they are behind it after all or even the Sith play a much worse game and it will only be apparent much later on that this would have been peanuts to them.

But here is a third option, one intriguing and probably with a grain of truth in it?

What if the Sith are not absent because of secrecy or being busy elsewhere but rather because they are no more. Hear me out, the rule of two went on for centuries with no Sith Lord couple achieving much aside keeping the order secret and playing the slow long game. Some Sith even left and founded other cults like the Prophets of the Dark Side in Legends and others may have fallen to the Light even with secrecy and the dillution of the Order among the peaceful galaxy slowly eroding the Sith and Rule of Two's menace away to the point the Rule of Two Sith are mere businessmen, scholars and the like rather than warriors and politicians. Case in point Vectivus and Plagueis and whoever inbetween shifted the Sith to the business and study side of operating rather than preparing another invasion or takeover by force or intrigue.

Thus the Sith of this High Republic era may be no more than a secret cult of scholars and businessmen (think Granta Omega), Illuminati that stem from an ancient order that lost its teeth and is merely kept up as a secret club to achieve ultimate knowledge of the Force and through economy control over sites, artifacts and the tools needed to achieve mastery through knowledge.

But wait, here comes the High Republic twist that would turn this order of Illuminati Sith back into a phantom menace: The High Republic is about knowledge and expansion and the secret Sith want a part of that. Secret Force uses, hyperspace routes, right up their interest. So the Nihil would certainly be on the scope of the Sith once their methods become known after the initial High Republic figured out how they operated. What if the rather peaceful scholar business Sith attempt to take over piracy operations like the Nihil to get their secrets?

Cue Sith Pirates and Sith Knights, Sith Nihil... akin to Lucas old ideas of marauding Sith raiders. And despite loosing the Nihil ultimately, the Sith are back to a more violent path thx to their contribution to the Sith modus operandi that now can bring their full economic, political and menacing pirate skills to full fruition with Plagueis and co as Acolyte ends the High Republic series with something transgressing from Nihil into Sithhood probably!

 

Yeah, in the book Ro was described with blue black skin Long black hair and black eyes. He seemed to have human features.

 

Or, at the Paths will be taken from them, effectively removing their teeth.

 

Yes I tend to think the Paths will be lost to the Nihil, but their order of being won't completely vanish. I'm interested in seeing how the plot is kept dynamic and interesting as the books progress, particularly as there is no full scale war on the horizon.

 

I very much agree and I'm enjoying this new type of enemy that operates differently from what we have seen in the Star Wars universe so far.

It certainly makes for a refreshing change from Imperial/Empire/First Order.

 

It is really good that the HR doesn't have ANOTHER massive enemy.

I think what makes the Nihil so dangerous is that they can/will do anything, from a fleet attack to terrorism, they can give the Jedi an interesting fight by just being that difficult to pin down.

Their movement does play into that theme of unpredictability.

I do wonder what they will do next.

 

They do need to be careful when it comes to how much damage the Nihil do to the republic/Jedi (so please no Great Disaster 2.0). Its only 232BBY, and the golden age of the Republic/Jedi doesn't end until 82BBY.

 

Does anyone else get the sense that perhaps the Millennium Falcon will be established as possessing a Nihil path engine or Nihil-derived technology in its hyperdrive? I can see it as a Watsonian explanation of certain gripes people had with the ship's feats in the Sequel Trilogy.

 

Have you read A Test of Courage? As it's good example of the Nihil hurting many people, but their act won't take out the Republic.

 

Nope. It would be like saying that the Dukes of Hazzard's car can do all it dose thanks to an old tuned 20/30's rum runner car engine. Technology do march on after all - no matter what The Old Republic games shows us.

 

Since this is a Nihil centric video I found....Here's a cute little theory going around ....nothing concrete but I thought it would add to the conversation